LOSING MY MIND - FRONTOTEMPORAL DEMENTIA (FTD) With Kris Bowring

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Hello, it's Howard Brown. It's the shining brightly

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show. Oh my goodness. We're hitting the fall. It's shining.

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The leaves are dropping some places. I am so happy to have

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you here your Maestro with the mic. I've got an incredible

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person. Guest. Oh my goodness. Shout out to John Rapoport and

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introduce us. Kris Bowring. Welcome to the shining, brightly

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podcast show. How are you?

Kris Bowring: 00:00:26

I'm good. I'm good.

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I'm so happy to have you. We were introduced in

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the mid summer. And Kris is now back to share a really important

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message and story and one of inspiration. One of a lot of a

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lot of stuff he's been through. Okay, and, and some hope so,

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Kris, it'll take me back and introduce, you know, before

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again, this, this all happened. And I'm not saying it for a

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reason. It's not a mystery. We're going to talk a lot about

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what happened to Kris. But take me back to Kris before what

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happened to you and tell me about that Kris.

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Kris before was a vice president of innovation and

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development for big corporations. And I loved being

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in corporate America. And I loved all the things that you

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get when you're doing well in corporate America. But I came

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into I went to the doctor for some some I actually

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talked about you. You're a husband, you're a dad.

Kris Bowring: 00:01:31

Yeah, well, okay. Well, let me it goes better than

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that. So I'm, I'm a father of three wonderful, very smart

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kids. Sophie, Luca, and Sadie, my wife is she's she's been

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watching me and in babysitting me. And she and she always is my

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sounding board for everything that I was doing. And it's a

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great relationship. Really look fun. We love the desert and land

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and everything like that. I also am a bass player. And I played

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live and for the record companies and stuff like that,

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and those things, and I was a former triathlete. So I was

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doing triathlon, triathlons. And I have 42 races that was in and,

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and I kept trying to keep my, my, my, my shape. But, but it

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were, it was really good. We were in our, our time to have

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the kids and be with them. And then and then take them with us.

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And, and, and because they're old enough, like so they can go

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do their things and go on under. But then I came out of that

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doctor's office and I had a real bad piece of news.

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you got the awakening. So now transitioning

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to you and your mystery me and my mystery, as you call it.

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Me in the mystery. Well, you go when you when you

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are when you have FTD and we'll talk about how and what and what

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it does. It's a secret. People will telling me, Don't tell your

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employer that you have this. And that was odd to me. Because when

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you are hiding something you are losing your mind. Because you

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think that somebody's going to find about find it about you

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that you have this brain disorder, and you're the

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Villious president, maybe I can knock him off or something like

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that. But I didn't like living with this illness. And the more

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and more I was working with it, the more and more I was talking

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to people, the more and more that I studied about what is

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going to happen. I couldn't I couldn't bear. And so last week,

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I said I'm out. I'm all out. This is what's happening to me.

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And this is what's going on. So,

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so pronounced pronounced. It's frontal.

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Temporal degeneration, correct.

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Yeah. Right. So temporal dementia. Yeah.

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And so, right, you came out it was it was basically

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the frontal temporal degeneration and brain damage

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month and you came out and told your story in a couple of

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different ways. And you've been through the wringer. Man, and

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you are doing great. So I get it, and we are on the same.

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We're aligned there. So take us through, because you didn't

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really know what was happening to you. But you went into a

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doctor's appointment and you were you were stuttering, right?

Kris Bowring: 00:05:15

Yes. So that's one of the big ones in in the

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flavours of symptoms. And I had no idea. And it was the, the

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grind that I had, you'd like Kris, you need to go here, you

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need to go here, you need to go to here, you need to do this,

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you need to do all this. Here, we got to go put you in, in the

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the puzzles they gave me they were they were actually tests

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that I was taking to see how much of my brain has been

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affected. And, and in one after the other and they were

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required. And then all of a sudden they're saying, Hey, you

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may be can't drive your car anymore. And I'm like, How do I

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get the test to tell me that. So I still can't do it. But there's

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limits on it. There are I cannot drive to this day with my kids

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in the car. And so I have to take, I get the car all the time

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has to be empty. Because there there there could be something

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that would go haywire and have an accident and stuff like that.

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So. So those were done. But now the mystery of it is it's gone.

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I know what it is. I know where I'm going. I know how much I do.

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I do not know how much time I have, because nobody does. And

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they don't know when it came in as well. So this could have this

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could have been four years old. But but now I feel like I'm

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settled. And the mystery is, is now because of you right now.

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You're my guy. For the first first time. I've never done a

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podcast.

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I know. But I'm glad I am because we're going to

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tell your story. And we're going to tell how through it all.

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You're shining brightly. So there is you have a famous

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brother of former Hollywood Bruce Willis that has an

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aphasia. And so he's bringing some more awareness to this

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because I have to tell you before I met you this summer,

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I'd had no idea about this degeneration and the brain

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damage and, and all that. So you know, we got a little bit of

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Hollywood here shining on it as well, because he's going through

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what you're going through.

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He is and Emma is so on it. Like a little bit. I'm

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trying to chase her around, because she is just always

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there. And she's had some bad, bad news all along. Now he but

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Bruce, the reason it is so bad for him right now is that it

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took them three and a half years to give them a diagnosis. For

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me, I got mine in 18 months. And they are and people who have

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done that have said we How did you get all these things fast?

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When on my letters came out? They were saying how did you do

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that? Well, how do you do this? How do you get to, you know,

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disability, and just there was there was 5000 people that were

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emailing me and thanking me and stuff like that. But there's a

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there's a lot of work to do in this vein of brain disorders.

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Yeah.

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And yet so you So Emma is Bruce Willis, his wife

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and caregiver and your wife remind me of her name? Cassie,

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Cassie, they are angels on this earth because my wife Lisa, and

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for cancer one, my parents, Nancy and Marshall Brown, they

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are angels because they have to basically look after us. Because

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we have trouble looking after ourselves when we're going

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through the war and through this tornado, and all that sort of

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stuff. So I agree. It's something and so for you to be

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able to shed light to this and I will tell you there will be lots

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of links on the post and in the show notes. So for people to

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want to be able to learn and potentially even help out, you

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know, on this from the different organisations, the aftd.org and

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all that as well. So take me through you basically went from

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stuttering at your general doctors to a neurologist. Right.

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Right to it. Yeah. And what they were just basically doing every

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sort of test they could on your brain Right and giving you these

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puzzles as well and trying to figure out the extent of the

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disease.

Kris Bowring: 00:10:05

Yeah, it was, it was quite a ride. But we finally

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got to our pet scan. And the PET scan made it really, really real

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for me, because I could see what's going on in the brain, in

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my brain. And so, so it was it was weird. You know, but I'm

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always kind of a, I'm optimistic of everything. And, and I like

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hanging around with optimistic people. But I looked at that,

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and I not only have it in frontal in, on my forehead, and

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then the temporal, all of them, all four have damage, but I also

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have parietal. And they say, Kris, you're one in a million.

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The you you've got, you've got more damage than most will have.

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And, and that's, that's when it, it really hit me and really hit

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me that I was doing things very, very, very wrong. I was still

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angry. Just so angry. And you know, when when we had to do

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some things that it felt like I went, I have to sell my car. I

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love that car. Oh, and I have to I got a motorcycle too. And I

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love them your motorcycle, and it's gotta go. And then I was

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like, Gee, I hope we can't I hope I don't have to sell any

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basis. But the but I was everything that was kind of what

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I would tell you, the manhood was stripped away. And, and I

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had to get I had to get help to, to help me not curl up and, and

Kris Bowring: 00:12:13

get in a corner and do nothing.

Howard Brown: 00:12:17

Yeah, so I love the fact that you're, you're

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you're telling your story, you're coming out, listen, it is

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okay to be angry, it is okay to be depressed, it is okay to

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isolate for a short period of time, just to take it all in.

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Because 18 months to diagnosis. Bruceville is three years of

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diagnosis. That seems like an eternity to me. And I love the

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fact that you're sharing, and people are actually coming to

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you, one applauding that you're coming out and telling you

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because they have their stories too. But you're gonna you're

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helping so many now, your toys are getting taken away. That is

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part of your manhood your motor. I hope they don't want to take

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your guitar, your bass guitar away from you, I Oh, I hope that

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you can even hold that even if he can't play it very well.

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Yeah, man, that feeling. And so I hope you'll be able to

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preserve all that. And so you know, your kids now, you know,

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everybody knows, your wife knows. And, quite frankly, if

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you do Google the diagnosis, it gives you a your lifetime is

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being shortened for sure. And mine too, you know, with stage

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four cancer diagnosis, as well. And you got to make some

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decisions here now. And you know, your wife is basically got

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to watch you and and all that as well. And so this is it's tough

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mentally, to be able to adjust to being, you know, the man of

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the family and being also independent as well, some of

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your independence is taken away, as well. But I gotta tell you,

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man, you're doing great. Today. There's a lot going on here.

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You're talking, it's emotional, and all that sort of stuff. So

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tell me about you know, your mom said you're the patient patient.

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Because you waited so long here, go into that, because you've

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been through a lot.

Kris Bowring: 00:14:04

Yeah, it's it is a lot. But it I think so you and

Kris Bowring: 00:14:12

I, you know, there was something about my team that made it moved

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fast, faster. And I was I was I thought that was hard as hard to

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wait. But, you know, but you can I was slowing myself down to

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retire because that's what my life was saying. You need to

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retire and just go work out every morning and do all these

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other things, which I do because that's part of the symptoms, to

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err on the symptoms. Like go get a workout, read, play a gig

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guitar, and no alcohol. And that was that was a I was so sad to

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see Alcohol go. But now I've been sober since a the since

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last May and everything like that. But the the, the two

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breaking moments were me trying to me trying to talk to my kids

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about this. And it was all tears. And then And then shortly

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thereafter, to friends of mine from in Omaha where I go, I went

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to number I was in Nebraska college. And these are my two

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best friends, they came to me. And my wife had organised a

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brunch, and they came walking in, and I didn't even think and

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I looked at it, and they were both there. And they're twin

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brothers. And they said, We're here to take you up to Omaha,

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we're going to go to the All Star game they got. And they

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had, they had two parties, for me to be with all of the people

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that we had in, in Omaha, just like, fantastic. That helped me

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become much, much more. Because there's nobody for me to talk.

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You know, but the and that was all the talking, we did all this

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stuff. It was great was wonderful. And now I say that

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they're the ones that make made me a yes, man. So if you want me

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to do something with you, I'm gonna do it, I'll do it. I'll go

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and Cassie saying, Please don't jump out of a plane, or anything

Kris Bowring: 00:16:54

like that.

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But here's the deal. So you went from a little

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bit of isolation, okay, and you hear about Bruce Willis. And now

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you're in contact together, and you found your people, you found

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your people that you actually know, and you're bringing

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awareness to this, you're doing what you can do. And also you're

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deciding to get help from others, you can talk to people.

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So I know that when I talk to other people in the midst of

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their cancer battle, you know, we have this understanding,

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okay, because we're going through it. And listen, everyone

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has to fight their own battle. But still, when you actually be

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it becomes a team sport, it actually does become a little

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bit easier. So you don't have to carry all that weight on you.

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And I have to tell you, that you're you're hanging in there,

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and all you can do every day is get out of bed and see what you

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can accomplish that day. And you you are doing that. And you have

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amazing, you know, angel on Earth, Cassie, and your kids,

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and you're doing it and so this is why we decided to do this

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podcast today. And we don't know what life's gonna throw at us.

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But you're doing whatever you can do in the in the time that

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we have. And and you're gonna motivate, educate and inspire.

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And that's what I love about you, Chris, is that you've

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decided to do that as well. And so take me through of what your

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plans are now, what do you what do you see, in the short term

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coming for you you want to accomplish?

Kris Bowring: 00:18:20

Well, I'm going to try and storm as many people in

Kris Bowring: 00:18:24

corporate America about what does this because above and

Kris Bowring: 00:18:30

before anything, this this disease is attacking so many

Kris Bowring: 00:18:36

people in so many different ways that it they called it the quiet

Kris Bowring: 00:18:45

a long time to it but but you cannot do that the best thing

Kris Bowring: 00:18:52

should be okay, I have it, I go to HR or something like that, or

Kris Bowring: 00:18:58

you ease your way out of your job. So that you can have,

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you're going to be asked to do that to get some of the things

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that will be much more beneficial in in your life. And

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then the other thing is, when if there if you keep in a mystery

Kris Bowring: 00:19:19

and stuff like that, it makes you anxious all night, not at

Kris Bowring: 00:19:25

357 in the morning, you're taught you're you're you're

Kris Bowring: 00:19:30

walking, you're still walking the thing. And then what I found

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was that it was alone and enormous. And it was so hard not

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to get just angst and but but it did. Then the thing starts to

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started getting better. And then the things are doing helped me

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kind of get through the night and and be the dad, and you

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know, my kids, if you'll see them sometime. And then they

Kris Bowring: 00:20:14

will, they will, I will, I will make jokes about what I've got,

Kris Bowring: 00:20:18

like, every time I can't remember something, I'm like,

Kris Bowring: 00:20:22

Well, you know, I gotta I gotta FTD password on that, but just

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trying to, to live the life. So the people also when it happens,

Kris Bowring: 00:20:35

you, you don't want to let your your husband or your wife go

Kris Bowring: 00:20:41

into the corner. They still are there. They they and in my case,

Kris Bowring: 00:20:48

I still got the voice. I won't have it in. But I don't know

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what how long I've got. So I'm trying to talk to people about

Kris Bowring: 00:20:57

this. And just about that, this, this, this is life saving work.

Howard Brown: 00:21:04

I have to tell you, Chris, so I love that

Howard Brown: 00:21:07

you're the crusade that you're on to inform, make aware

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corporate corporations, their HR departments, so that people can

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understand that. Because so they can make the empathetic decision

Howard Brown: 00:21:22

to be able to retire you gracefully or still support you.

Howard Brown: 00:21:28

Because, listen, you're, you still have so much more to give

Howard Brown: 00:21:34

and to accomplish. And so I have to tell you, I have chemo brain,

Howard Brown: 00:21:38

which is a form of PTSD. All right, I sometimes do make a

Howard Brown: 00:21:43

joke about it. But it's not a joking matter. Okay, I can't

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remember I can't remember names anymore. And I was a Spitfire

Howard Brown: 00:21:49

for names and all that. And, and what I see you doing, which I

Howard Brown: 00:21:53

think is so important is that and, and I might do this in

Howard Brown: 00:21:56

other disease communities. But we have a little mantra in the

Howard Brown: 00:21:59

cancer world. And I'm sure you'll carry this forward and

Howard Brown: 00:22:02

the FTD world as well as kfg. Okay, we got what we got, and

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you got to keep effing going without the swear word, right,

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keep everything going. And that's all you can do until your

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voice is taken. And then you'll do it by written word, or you'll

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do it by some other way, you'll get the message out. And that's

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all you can do. So it's just so important. And I love the fact

Howard Brown: 00:22:25

that I'm your first podcast, because there'll be all these

Howard Brown: 00:22:27

people trying to contact you and, and you're going to help so

Howard Brown: 00:22:30

many. And that that does that give back is so important for

Howard Brown: 00:22:34

you. So what I want to do now, is I'm going to put on my

Howard Brown: 00:22:37

sunglasses, all right, because Chris, you are shining brightly.

Howard Brown: 00:22:41

And I want people to say how should people get in touch with

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you? And give me a final message that you want to tell my

Howard Brown: 00:22:48

audience and the rest of the social media world? What do you

Howard Brown: 00:22:50

want to talk about? Well, well, good touch you.

Kris Bowring: 00:22:53

Yeah, well, to reach me just do my Gmail,

Kris Bowring: 00:22:57

Gmail, because I'm, I'm more attuned to that, then and, and

Kris Bowring: 00:23:03

then LinkedIn. So LinkedIn is a good one, because I'll be able

Kris Bowring: 00:23:07

to do a lot much much more and, and and handle it. One

Howard Brown: 00:23:14

way. So Chris, I'm gonna put, I'm gonna put your in

Howard Brown: 00:23:17

the notes and the social media, I'm going to put your Kristen

Howard Brown: 00:23:20

dot bow ring at Gmail, and then I'm going to put your LinkedIn

Howard Brown: 00:23:23

address, so people can just click on it, and they can get in

Howard Brown: 00:23:25

touch with you. And I think that's beautiful. And then

Howard Brown: 00:23:27

you'll be able to get them information about the aftd.org

Howard Brown: 00:23:32

the aphasia.org and connect them up. And I it's such a beautiful

Howard Brown: 00:23:36

thing. So what's some message or messages you want, you want to

Howard Brown: 00:23:40

leave the listening group,

Kris Bowring: 00:23:42

I would like to just say that, that don't hide

Kris Bowring: 00:23:46

behind anything is good to maybe hide behind your father or

Kris Bowring: 00:23:52

anything like that. But try to if you have it, figure out how

Kris Bowring: 00:24:00

to live with it because the things that I rattled off like

Kris Bowring: 00:24:04

the working out reading the everybody should be doing that

Kris Bowring: 00:24:08

anyway, so it but the it helps and and you can find help. If

Kris Bowring: 00:24:17

you're feeling or if your wife is telling you you're not the

Kris Bowring: 00:24:21

man you're not, you're not behaving like like you normally

Kris Bowring: 00:24:26

did, which she did say to me. And so there was something

Kris Bowring: 00:24:32

wrong. We had to get to it. And then we did it and we got to it

Kris Bowring: 00:24:37

and we were all ruffled and but we need to keep moving forward.

Kris Bowring: 00:24:46

And and keep do this go go to an event go to and and then read

Kris Bowring: 00:24:53

and this FTD is in a class like Alzheimer's. And the one thing

Kris Bowring: 00:25:02

that you do with Alzheimer's and FTD is not take their medicine,

Kris Bowring: 00:25:08

you can damage your head a lot harder if you're taking out

Kris Bowring: 00:25:13

Alzheimer's stuff. So so that's what I would say, stay alive.

Howard Brown: 00:25:20

So I want to tell you, you, your fighting spirit,

Howard Brown: 00:25:22

your courageousness is so admired. You're you're digging

Howard Brown: 00:25:26

in deep here, you're living your life. And, and that's what you

Howard Brown: 00:25:29

got to do. And so, this has been a really one emotional and a

Howard Brown: 00:25:33

deep show. For me personally, because I resonate with what

Howard Brown: 00:25:36

you're doing, and I'm in your corner, I know you're in my

Howard Brown: 00:25:39

corner. And that's what we do, we bond together, we lift each

Howard Brown: 00:25:43

other up. And so this is you can find me our brown at the shining

Howard Brown: 00:25:47

brightly.com You can find about my speaking, you could write

Howard Brown: 00:25:50

about the book, shining brightly is doing so great. You can even

Howard Brown: 00:25:54

find it on Amazon or contact me directly. You could find out

Howard Brown: 00:25:57

about the podcast, which this will come out in a couple of

Howard Brown: 00:26:01

weeks. Doing great 25,000 downloads, people are listening,

Howard Brown: 00:26:04

they're getting inspired, they're getting informed,

Howard Brown: 00:26:07

they're getting motivated, educated, and it's just

Howard Brown: 00:26:10

tremendous. And then you can learn about my advocacy work, my

Howard Brown: 00:26:13

advocacy, work in entrepreneurism, interfaith and

Howard Brown: 00:26:16

in cancer. And now Kris has advocacy work and FTD. So, if we

Howard Brown: 00:26:20

shine brightly, just a little bit each day for ourselves,

Howard Brown: 00:26:23

which Kris does, and we do we take care of ourselves, then you

Howard Brown: 00:26:27

help others which he's doing, I'm doing, okay. And our

Howard Brown: 00:26:30

communities like we're giving all this great information

Howard Brown: 00:26:33

today, the world will be a better place. So Kris, thank

Howard Brown: 00:26:36

you. You are a friend. You are brother in arms. What a great

Howard Brown: 00:26:40

show. Thank you for being here.

Kris Bowring: 00:26:42

Thank you very much.