STOP GIVING UP With Kevin "Remps" Rempel

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Hello, it's Howard Brown is the shiny Brightly

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podcast show. I get the best guests and this is amazing today

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way to you hear this story. Oh my God, it is shining. And

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that's what I do. So your Maestro with the mic is here.

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And I want to welcome Kevin Rempel, Kevin, how are you?

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Kevin "Remp" Rempel: I'm doing awesome. Howard. Thanks so much

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for having me on my man.

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Yeah, you're up in Canada or Canada in Toronto,

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correct?

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Kevin "Remp" Rempel: That's right, we have yet to get a

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serious snowfall. But that's the land of the cold. Yeah,

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well, I'm in Michigan Land of the cold in the

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lake. So I get it, we get that that window. So it's not here

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yet? Well, let me tell you just a little bit about Kevin because

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we got introduced and I just we are so aligned, and I'm so I'm

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so inspired by him. So he's going to inspire you as well. So

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after being paralysed at age 23. And remember, I got a stage four

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cancer diagnosis at age 23. I'm not supposed to be here, okay.

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And he was paralysed. So Kevin, not only learn how to walk

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again, we've got to hear that story. But to overcome the

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mental and some of the oppression, of living with a

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disability to be able to rebuild your life. And remember, I tell

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people, we all get knocked down in life. The key is to get back

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up again. And Kevin's going to show us how to do that. But he

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did it in such an extraordinary way. So he helped Canada earn

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gold at the 2013 world championships, and a bronze

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medal at the two for 2014 Paralympics Winter Games. Oh my

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god, Kevin, this is incredible. What a story we're waiting to

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hear from it. But before we do that, share something with the

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audience in the listening and the watching group that they may

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not know about you. It's a little dirty secret. They're a

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fun secret.

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Kevin "Remp" Rempel: So I actually, this might be the

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first time sharing this, I would say maybe publicly for social

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media world. I like magic mushrooms. That's something

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that's different. I actually have them tattooed on the inside

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of my elbow as part of my tattoo sleeve. And the short story is

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just that. I was reintroduced to them about three years ago. And

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they've created such impactful transformative moments of my

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life that I'm a big proponent of some of that. So that's

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something that people probably don't know about me.

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Wow that's a good share. Well, I since you did

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that I'm going to share too, but this will maybe people know

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about me as well. I, during all my cancer treatments, I actually

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had a lot of anxiety. And I could I would wake up in the

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middle of the night and just couldn't fall back to sleep. So

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I actually take gummies and THC gummies not CBD that didn't

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work, but just a sliver and maybe a sliver more and get to

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that REM sleep because sleeping is healing. So there's my share.

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So there we go today. So all right, take me into your

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backstory here. How did we, you know before the injury and then

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and take me take me through that.

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Kevin "Remp" Rempel: Yeah, when I was a kid, I did get

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introduced to sticking ball sports, hockey, soccer,

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football, etc. But it never really resonated with me. And

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when I was 10 years old, the neighbour kids down the street

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got dirt bikes, and as soon as I saw the speed, I heard the motor

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and I just was like drawn to them. I fell in love with

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motorcycles. And at that time, this is you know, in the 90s the

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X Games and freestyle motocross was just becoming a sport. I

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started out racing, but was drawn to the stunts. And after a

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couple of years racing realised that wasn't for me, started

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performing some tricks and started a business at the age of

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23. To put on stunt shows, where I cheat like on Canada Day, July

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1 2006. But on my first show, I accomplished all my childhood

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dreams. And then two weeks later on my second show, I ended up

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crashing, and in that accident, I ended up as you just

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mentioned, becoming paralysed and broke my back my pelvis. And

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I was never supposed to walk again. And my life took a

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complete turn.

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I saw the video Kevin, I have to tell you, I I

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held myself I saw that video, it's people will go to your

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website and see that I'll show them but it's incredible that

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you live through that. I mean, it's really incredible. So, I

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mean, you got taken off the course and rushed to the

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hospital, right? Yeah, it was a conscious Were you conscious?

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Kevin "Remp" Rempel: I was conscious. I remember the entire

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the entire day pretty much up until I would say I was loaded

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into the ambulance then it gets a little bit fuzzy. But I

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remember the entire day the whole crash and everything. I

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didn't lose consciousness. And for the viewers and the

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listeners to give you some context. What I was doing that

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day I've done before, like I've jumped that type of a gap and I

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was hitting the ramp for the first On that day, but I wasn't

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mentally focused. I was too worried about the crowd, the

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other riders, the winds blowing ramps a little crooked, and I

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was too scared to speak up and say something. So I hit the ramp

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anyway, not even trying a trick. But because my body position was

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off, I ended up taking off from the rear end came up too high,

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and so split second, I had to make the decision to either stay

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on the bike or jump off the bike. And so I jumped off and

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landed without the motorcycle. But when I was laying on the

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ground, paralysed, I described a scenario of my friend Chris, the

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reason why you saw that footage is he captured the crash on

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film. And as he ran over to grab my hand, and say remps, I love

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you, man. I literally looked at Chris and I said, Chris, you

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better be filming this.

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Which sounds completely ludicrous. Yeah. But in my mind,

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what I was thinking in that moment was that I knew I already

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was picturing my combat. Because the riders that I looked up to,

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that's what they did. When when when you get knocked down, you

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pick yourself back up, because that's just what you do in my

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mind, and action sports. So I knew that I wanted to be just

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like my heroes. And I'm not saying that this wasn't hard.

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Like Howard, I had a knife twisting in my back, it was

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excruciating, sharp pain, I couldn't move, I couldn't

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breathe, and the wind knocked out of my lungs. And I spent

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months and years in rehab and therapy, learning to walk again.

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And we can get into some details about that. But why I bring this

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particular piece up of the story for the listeners, especially

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right now is to ask yourself the question, what do you say to

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yourself when you get knocked down? Some, some people will

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say, it's over, I'm done, I'm finished. Why would I even

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bother continuing to try this is the worst thing that's ever

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happened to me. Or you can say to yourself, This is the

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beginning of the comeback. This is the start of a new chapter.

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Just imagine how great this story will be. When I get

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through this 2-3-4 or five years from now and how proud I will be

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of who I am. So, something I like to do, Howard just like

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you, in addition to inspiring people is what I love to do is

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help people shift their mindset to drive results to embrace

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change. Whether that's in your personal or in your professional

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life. And the questions that we ask ourself and statements that

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we say to ourselves in these moments are what are so key and

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important to help us in my mind become a hero in our own story.

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I just want to pause for a second because you

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wanted to get it first ramps, you know, are you okay? You get

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it on film. And but but you know what, you know, there's risk in

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this. You've seen others crashes, you've crashed yourself

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before, not this severely, of course. And I said to myself,

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listen, I was 23. And I didn't know if I was going to live or

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die. Okay, and I was a deer in the headlights for a while.

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That's the walking in the darkness part. I had to do it.

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But I also had to figure out my way out as well. And so that was

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the start. They always say that your survivorship starts at the

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point of of injury or in my case diagnosis. And in my book, I

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talk about how to put Humpty Dumpty back together again,

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Humpty Dumpty is the nursery rhymes all in a bunch of pieces.

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How do you put each piece by piece together again, and it's

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not usually done in one day? It's done over time. And so take

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take me back, you went to the hospital, and now you're it's

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setting in now. Okay, you got a long road ahead of you. Take

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take me from there.

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Kevin "Remp" Rempel: Yeah, and what a fantastic analogy. By the

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way, Howard, I've actually never heard that before. And it truly

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is piecing everything back together. Especially after you

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have something as significant as being diagnosed with cancer or

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paralysis or, you know, I today work with people who have, you

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know, acquired disability with an amputation, or people that

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are going through transitions have like, maybe your

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relationship exploded, and all of a sudden, you got to start

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over. It's like, you got to piece it all back together

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again. That's right. So when I was, you know, to paint a

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picture of what that was, like, excuse me, to paint a picture of

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what that was like after I acquired my spinal cord injury.

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You know, in the beginning, laying in the hospital bed, you

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know, you're just trying to sit up, you're trying to sit up

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straight in bed and not be in pain. I mean, when I talk about

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like baby steps, and I talk about in my keep my keynote for

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corporate, especially who are looking for a keynote speaker I

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and I share the hero mindset I talk about learning to walk

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again was literally one toe at a time. I was in bed, advised by

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my therapist, Chris just tried to wiggle my toes. And in the

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beginning there was no nothing happened. Like you're staring at

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your feet. And you feel, you start asking yourself again, the

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question is, why am I doing this? Is it even worth it? Is it

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gonna work? Does it even matter? But he told me he's like you

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just have to try. And what I learned because after about six

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weeks, I got my first total move. What I then said to myself

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is if I can get one toe, one more toe to move, that I bet

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you, I can get another toe. And I got my first toe around the

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six week mark. And then I got my second toe, about a week later.

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And then I got three more toes and another couple toes and

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ankle and ankle and slowly but surely I was back on my feet.

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But when we're striving to achieve something that may seem

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impossible, like piecing your life back together, it truly is

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just those small critical pieces where you might just have to

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learn how to like get out of bed in the morning, I had to fight

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myself just to get into the wheelchair for weeks. And once

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you do that, then it's starting to figure out like, you know,

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what's the mess I got to clean up in terms of maybe it's like

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paperwork, like I didn't like the legal side, the medication

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side, the hospital side, you know, where am I going to live,

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what's going on with my career, I had to go through all of that

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stuff as well. And in my case, with the surgery, I also had for

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years, I also felt like a guinea pig because I had to keep trying

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different medication. So it's like try this for helping

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because your bowel and bladder is affected once you have a

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spinal cord injury. It's like my bowel and bladder didn't work.

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So then you're on suppositories, then you're on stool softeners

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then you gotta like take nerve pain medication, then there's a

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side effects, you got to take something for that. And it's

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like, you just feel like a punching bag. So when I show up

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here on this podcast with you, Howard, like with enthusiasm, I

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realise, in hindsight, sometimes I gotta, like, bring people back

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to like, what you see today was not, I haven't always been like

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this, I I've been depressed, I've been suicidal, I've called

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the suicide hotline three times in my life. I had days where I

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would pull the sheets over my head and cry under the covers.

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Because my leg spasms for the nerve pain were just so intense.

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Like I couldn't do it. I didn't feel like I could do anything. I

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contemplated whether I was going to find a relationship or find

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love again, or if I would be employed, like it was, it was

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difficult. But just like you describe is piecing it together

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one small step at a time. And so when change happens, here's

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here's a message again for for everyone, when change happens.

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Even as I've been helping coach other people recently, a

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metaphor to imagine is that when your expectations do not meet

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you meet your reality. That's where you experienced

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disappointment. So if you keep thinking that you should be at a

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certain destination, the near you're not at yet. And your

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expectations are beyond where you are today. Ask yourself how

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can I start to focus on what is not what once was or what will

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be there's a time and a place to have our mind focus on creating

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a vision. But when you're going through change, often we may

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just need to bring ourselves back to the present moment and

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focus on what do we need to deal with in this exact moment to

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help us move ahead, not just one step. But as I mentioned one toe

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at a time.

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I got it I gotta I want to just comment on that and

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I wrote it down. Your comeback began with that one toe wiggle.

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It's amazing. And the second thing I want to come at because

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it'd be just getting out of bed for me was the dog out a walk

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and I went one step two step then further, it didn't happen

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overnight. It's over a period of time and it's multifaceted. It's

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the mental well being we call that the Mental Toughness it's

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the physical well being then you're worried about financial

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and you're worried about relationships. So that's the

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enormity of it. And we have something in the cancer world

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where we actually it says you will look great and then we have

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a big butt and then all the indivisible stuff all the stuff

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that no one saw the hardship the workout at the gym, the side

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effects that meet puking at the bathroom right me freaking out

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in the middle of night, you know on steroids, right? So they

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don't see that. But we actually have and again, you can use the

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Humpty Dumpty all you want in your keynotes that we share

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right? We're We're Brothers And speaking motivational speakers,

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oh and coaches. So please share that piecing it together and the

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Humpty Dumpty, but we have something in the cancer world

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that you might actually take on as well. We have something

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called k f, g. All right, and this is a clean show, so it's

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keep effing going. K f g is the cancer mantra. We don't have any

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choice. We don't I mean, you could just stay in bed and

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become depressed and all bad things happen, right? Or you can

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stay in that dead darkness, k, f, g, keep everything going. And

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that's what you got to do to get and move forward. And sometimes

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it's steps back Got a step sideways. And sometimes it's

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five steps forward, and you got to really appreciate that. So

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that toe wiggle is a big moment. And I love it from that,

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alright, get to get to some of the good stuff there that you're

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rehabilitating, you're getting there. And you're getting to

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become a championship athlete. This is the I'm just like,

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amazed by this. So tell me how you got there.

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Kevin "Remp" Rempel: So when I got injured, here's another

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another, I'm always going to try to drop some like nuggets of

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lessons and wisdom as such. Sure. So another lesson that

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I've learned I'd love to share with others is that when change

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happens, it's often preparing you for something greater that

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you just cannot see yet. So when I got injured, I actually spent

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two years working to rehabilitate myself in my life

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before I even discovered that the Paralympics existed. In that

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time, I had to keep pushing forward, believing that there is

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something worth putting in this effort for of course, it's our

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life. And we don't know when that tipping point of that next

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thing that we can start to set our sights on will appear. So I

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was at wheelchair basketball, just volunteering and another

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kid, I was still in the wheelchair at this time. Another

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kid also named Kevin, also with a spinal cord injury in a

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wheelchair rolls up beside me. And he's like, Hey, have you

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ever heard of sledge hockey before? And I'm like, No, what's

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that? He goes, it's real sick. You get to hit people with

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disabilities. What are you talking about? Dude, that sounds

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so wrong, then like, where do I sign up. But it it literally

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just like changed my life because all of a sudden, I had

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something to look forward to. I had a goal to strive for. I had

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a community that I could immerse myself in who everyone was going

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through some kind of their own challenge. And all of a sudden

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you feel not alone, not just yourself. But it's also for the

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family like the parents because the parents have to navigate the

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change just as much as the children do in many cases. So I

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didn't know the Paralympics, I still didn't even know Team

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Canada existed. All I knew is that the sport existed. So I

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started playing at a local level my first year. And true story it

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was around I don't know how many weeks after I started playing

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recreationally. This one of these friends in the in the

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disabled community sent me a video of Team Canada winning

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gold in 2006 at the Paralympics and sledge hockey. And I was

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literally like 2am Drinking a beer watching YouTube and my

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Paralympic dream was born at the age of 28 years old. So I played

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on the provincial team the next year, then joined Team Canada

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after the 2010 Paralympics, and I played five years, as you

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mentioned, helped win a number of medals, but particularly 2013

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Gold World Championships and bronze in the 2014 Paralympic

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bronze medals Paralympics in Sochi, Russia.

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So I gotta tell you, though, I you and I are so we

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just taken different paths, but a lot of same experience. So I

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tell people to find their happy place. My happy places the

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basketball court, right. So I've been a basketball player. Since

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age six. I played college basketball, I was all based at

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league in Boston outside of Boston and growing up.

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Basketball is my place where I feel a stress free zone. So I

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will tell you, I did stuff and I broke all the rules after

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chemotherapy after surgeries. Imagine playing basketball with

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a chemo port. Okay, that chemo port is in underneath your

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clavicle going to your vena cava that gets pulled out basketball

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is a contact sport that can I would bleed out in the court and

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it's the risk I took. Now after seven half years. I just got my

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chemo poured out. I actually have it. But I had to do that I

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had to push myself. And now you know, listen, I'm 57 I'm so

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perfectly two hours last night I was knocking down threes. I had

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three threes in the game to 12. That doesn't happen that often.

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But that's my place and you found your place. I gotta ask

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this because I probably will never finish a marathon or run a

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marathon. I probably will not have a gold medal dripped on my

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what does that feel like?

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Kevin "Remp" Rempel: It feels amazing. And I'll elaborate on

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that. But you brought up something really special

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important that I want to expand please do please do. So in terms

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of the metal and competing, it was a full circle moment. You

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know being on the world stage see my mom and my grandma, my

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sister up in the stands. It brought that feeling that

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everything you'd been through was worth it. The lesson here

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the message that you just reminded me about that I really

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want to enforce for people is that you need to strive to

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become an Olympian or a Paralympian to have your own

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podium. Like my question for you the audience anyone listening

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watching is what what what is your podium So your podium might

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be raise a great family, your podium might be become the best

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parent I can be your podium might be good no financial debt,

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your podium might be getting get in physical shape. Your podium

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might be stop living under your parents roof and live

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independently and go out on your own and pursue the career and

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live in the city, the province or the state, the country that

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you really want to live in.

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So each of us have a podium. But in pursuit of that podium, ask

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yourself next, like, where do you stop? When I, when my dream

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of riding freestyle motocross was over, what I knew is that I

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didn't know necessarily what that next podium was going to

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look like. But I knew I wanted to keep fighting to not let go

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of the commitment that I made to myself, when I started that

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business was that I'm going to become an entrepreneur, I'm

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going to create the life that I want to live. And I'm not going

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to stop doing that until I figure it out. And I'm still in

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that process today. But every one of us has a podium. And what

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I can share with you because I've lived it is that once you

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reach that podium, literally or metaphorically, once in your

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life, once you've done it once, just like I told top spoke about

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wiggling your toes. If you've done it once, you can do it

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again. And I have reached a podium in motorcross, a recent

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podium and learning to walk in I've reached a podium and

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recovering from depression and mental health. I reached a

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podium in the Paralympics, I reached a podium in my keynote

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speaking, and there's these podiums that we can keep

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striving for in our life. But ask yourself, what do you say to

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yourself when you get knocked down? Where do you stop along

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the way? And what do you want your story to be?

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It's strong, that's powerful. I love the

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podium analogy. It's amazing. I want to transition just a second

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because, you know, I wake up every day and I look in the

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mirror and I do this every day. This is my this is what I do. I

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look in the mirror and I say, I am blessed. I am grateful. I am

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lucky and who can I help today. And this is what I want you to

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kind of dovetail into. You help people you're coaching, please

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go tell me about your programme and tell me how you're helping

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people. And that's what I admire, because you're taking

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all this lessons, all this knowledge, all this experience,

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and you're pouring it into others take me through there.

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Kevin "Remp" Rempel: Thanks, Howard. I just recently I've

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started coaching, both individually and through group

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group coaching. And so as I've mentioned my keynote titled The

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Hero mindset. Over the years, I've assembled a framework

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called the hero mindset blueprint, which is the steps

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I've lived myself to get myself to reach all these different

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podiums. And I have a group called the hero tribe and the

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hero tribe is a community of people who are navigating a

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career or life transition. And in that community, I help people

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like I mentioned, whether it's navigate, you know, maybe it's a

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job, maybe the job, maybe they were let go from their job, or

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they want to make a change, maybe same thing in a

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relationship, something's happened, or they know that they

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need to make a change. It might be as I mentioned, they have

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acquired a disability, people that I'm helping right now those

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who have acquired a spinal cord injury or become an amputee, or

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maybe you've got an illness or you're depressed, and you want

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to get yourself out of that. I've navigated those spaces

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myself. So I've always found in my life journey, I've had these

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one on one conversations, or in a group setting, like maybe it's

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a locker room or on a tailgate with a bunch of friends, helping

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people figure these situations out. And I've delivered keynotes

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for about 15 years, though a keynote over time has become a

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bit of a like a one and done. It's like I want to continue to

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work with organisations on going. But after you leave the

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stage, what happens to the audience, like they go to live

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their life, and I want to help people, not just, I don't want

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to just help inspire people, but I want to help them through that

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transition that they need to make. And so if someone who's

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hearing watching this right now is seeking support, for someone

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to help, you know, maybe hold your hand a little bit to kind

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of just show you the pathway and encourage you get those mental

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blocks shifted, of how we show up and get in getting in our own

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way. What I like to do is help people navigate, change,

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navigate transition. And by doing so again, that's how you

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show up and become that hero in your own story. It's

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just awesome. And when we're gonna give,

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everyone's gonna have all the contact information. But we're

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gonna do that right now. So you haven't, I'm putting on my

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sunglasses. For those who are just listening and not watching

Howard Brown: 00:24:35

that white metallic sunglasses are shining brightly on you tell

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people how to get a hold of you. I know you have a little gift

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for folks to workbook or something. And then give me

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leave me with a story or a chord of inspiration please, for sure.

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Kevin "Remp" Rempel: So the best way to get in touch with me if

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you're interested in keynote speaking, or if you want to

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download a free copy of my book that I've written, especially if

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you're someone who is navigate didn't change my website, Kevin

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rempel.com is the best place to go for that. If you are

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interested in some coaching support the best, fastest way is

Howard Brown: 00:25:09

just go to Instagram. Just look up Kevin Rempel everything's

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simple. Just my name at Kevin Rempel are em p e l on

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Instagram. You can also find links to my website and my book

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there. But just DM me the word coach, and I'd love to have a

Howard Brown: 00:25:23

chat with you. The final like message that I would just

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reiterate to leave everyone to reflect upon here, when you're

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navigating change is to just ask yourself that question. What do

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you want your story to be? Every single day, we have an

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opportunity to begin a new chapter to write a new script.

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And how we choose to think in these moments of transition

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determines what that story is going to be. So I like thinking

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about what my heroes have done and that's inspired me to become

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a hero in my own story. And I want you the viewer listener,

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every one of us to become a hero in our own story. So when you're

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going through transition, ask yourself that question. What do

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you want your story to be?

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I love it.

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Kevin, you inspire me All right, I'm just telling you I following

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you now and I just I'm You're incredible. So thank you for

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being here. This has been the shining brightly podcast show

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you can get a hold of me always at shining brightly.com And

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again, like Kevin speaking, my advocacy work in cancer and

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entrepreneurship and interfaith work is all on there the book

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and then of course this podcast there So come visit me there

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come interact with me and just remember if we choose to shine

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brightly choose to shine brightly a little bit each day

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for ourselves, so we can lift up others and others to and then in

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our communities and our neighbours the world we become a

Howard Brown: 00:26:51

better place. Great show, Kevin. Be well be healthy, happy

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holidays. And this thing. We're coming out in 2024 and we're

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going to share your message with the world so I want to say that

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I'm greatly appreciative of you brother.

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Kevin "Remp" Rempel: Thanks, Howard. much appreciate it my

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friend way to go Remps