HUMMUS TIME With Stephen Shaya, M.D.

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Hello, it's Howard Brown. It's the Shining Brightly

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Show. I want to give a big shout out to the 150,000 downloads and

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listeners and audience we have. I'm so grateful for you that you

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are listening and learning and making the world a better place.

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We are going to do that today. I have a dear friend of mine, like

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a big brother like a mentor, Stephen Shaya.

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How are ya.

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so glad all the way from San Diego today? So

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he's buying we're bicoastal. So it's amazing. I moved to

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Michigan from Silicon Valley in about 2005. And somewhere in

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2005, and six, I met Steven, and he's just such a person that I

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admire. He does so much good in this world. And we're going to

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talk about that today. So Stephen, let me just brag about

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you if you'll give me that honor. And I know you're very

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humble and you hate this, but bear with me for a minute okay?

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Stephen Shaya MD is an executive servant leader. I love that a

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Jambi medical global healthcare solutions company founded in

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1996 by his family. In your role, you oversee all the

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strategy and innovation and growth of the family companies.

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And under your guidance, Jambi has started 18 different

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business enterprises and has customers around the world. This

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is incredible. In addition to your role at JMP, you're an

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active representative in the family office called Akkad

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holdings. And you invest in health care platforms, and

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you're trying to actually make a difference in global

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distribution channels. It's quite amazing. You have a lot of

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board appointments, I'll name a few American Diabetes

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Association of Michigan citizens RX and endeavor. You have a

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whole bunch of awards that you've been awarded for the

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great example and the work that you do, Steve, and I'll just

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mentioned two of them. The Vatican pontifical Hero Award

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and the presidential leadership award. Unbelievable. Yeah, as we

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say in Judaism, it's a match your match. Lastly, you're an

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advocate for innovative solutions to improve the human

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health globally. And you delivered a talk about at the

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World Expo in Dubai, we're going to get into that a little bit.

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You spoke about how to reimagine the global medical supply chain,

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which at times has been broken as healthcare. But your

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commitment to driving progress in healthcare is matched by your

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leadership and your management, making the world a better place.

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I'm so thrilled to have you here and excited to chop it up a

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little bit with you. But before we do that, tell me something

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that people may not know about you different that you want to

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share.

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One thing that very few of anyone knows is

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before I went into the medical field, I was considering

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becoming a priest, which I now my mother, my mother laughs that

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now she probably you know, she she kind of teases me about it.

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Because I probably need to go to confession on a daily basis for

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for all the activities. But no, I think God made me an

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evangelist at heart. Somehow I ended up in the medical arena,

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but that's something that very few of anyone knows.

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Well, thank you for sharing that. And also

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people don't you know exactly, you know, your, your Iraqi

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Christian, as we know Cal Dean from California, and it's a very

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special group of folks and a lot in Southern California a lot in

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Michigan. And, you know, I play basketball with a bunch of

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Chaldean guys all the time and Jewish and Chaldeans. We're

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brothers from different mothers. And it's just a beautiful thing.

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So tell us a little bit about your background. Because, you

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know, before you got into some of this, you were even

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delivering babies. So tell us about you know, a little bit

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about your background.

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So, my mother and father immigrated from Iraq. My

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mother was one of 12 children. When number 12 was in utero, my

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maternal grandfather passed away in a freak accident. So my

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maternal grandmother deliver, she took care of 12 children all

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on her own. And I gotta tell you, Howard, I have three

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children. So someone having 12 is, is just mind numbing to me,

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someone wants said to me, seven takes you to have it. I don't

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know what 12 takes you to but probably someplace good to

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support the family. She was a midwife, and she delivered 1000s

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and 1000s of babies and to support the family and because

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they didn't have a hospital nearby, and it was pretty

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interesting because a lot of the folks didn't have means and she

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would barter with them. She'd deliver their child and they'd

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give her basket of food or they provide some service. But it

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didn't matter if you were Christian or Jewish. Muslim or

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what faith. She showed great love to all. And it is kind of

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surreal when I run into folks say hey, you know your

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grandmother delivered me. So that was kind of a little bit of

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a surreal surreal thing. She brought all 12 children to the

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US, literally, they had everything they owned on them,

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they sold all their possessions, and they bought gold. And they

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put all the they had each one of them are securing a gold

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bracelet when they came to the US. So they literally some

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people say you have you know, something on your back, they had

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every thing that they they own materially was was on the wrist.

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But one thing I remember my my grandmother, she had a servant's

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heart. She got so much joy Howard from giving. And, and she

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didn't have much materially but the richness that she had

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powered from giving from serving is something that left left an

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indelible mark on me. My father, my late father, was the same he

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came from a very large family, he came to the US under duress,

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political challenges. He got off the plane, he got four jobs. He

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worked while he went to University of Michigan. So I

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grew up in a family that we didn't have much materially, but

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we were rich and family. We were rich and spirit and we're rich

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where it mattered. And in so going into medicine, was kind of

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an extension of both my grandmother and my father's. He

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went to Michigan, he became a physician. And then he opened

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his own medical lab and, and my grandmother, of course,

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delivering babies. So it kind of you know, they were both cut

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from the same cloth. They had that Servant's Heart servant

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leadership, and I decided to go into medicine, graduated from

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Wayne State Medical School in 1996. And went to work with my

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father in a place called Jean de medical, he had just sold his

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medical lab. And he was retired for about five weeks. And my

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mother said, you know, you probably need to go do

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something. So he couldn't get back into the lab business. She

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basically kicked him out of the house. That's the the kind of

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the real scoop, you can you can catch it a little differently.

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But so he couldn't get back in the lamp business because a non

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compete so he started this company called gene B. Now

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people ask me all the time, well, what is J B stand for? I

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was in Kentucky a few years ago, and I said I'm with J B. And

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everyone got excited. They thought were the scotch whiskey

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and unfortunately, we're not that good. But j stands for my

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brother Julian who had a health issue when he was younger, and

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he was miraculously treated. And then one of my uncle's in my

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grandfather were named Bashir. My middle name is Bashir. So my

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dad just said JB, and it's funny over the years, Howard, many

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people have come in and said, Well, maybe we should change the

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name. And you know, my late father always be like, I've

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never changing that it has a lot of sentimental meaning, even

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though it sounds very simple to us. And today, we have different

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business enterprises globally. And, and it's been it's been an

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incredible, incredible journey, if you don't believe in miracles

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come to j and b.

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Yeah, it's what a great story, the immigrant

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story, the hard work, but the love from the family and the

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passion. And that drove you to become going into medicine as

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well. And you have delivered some babies, right. And you do

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have delivered about 100 babies in my career as

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a family practice physician. You spent a lot of time delivering

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babies. For the record, I didn't deliver my three children 11,

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nine and seven, probably for very, very good reason.

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I know it. Well, let's step into some of your

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travels, one of your passions is to travel and experience the

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world as it is. So take me through some travels. Where do

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you want to start?

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Wow, that's a loaded question. So let's start

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with in 2016. We, my family and I went to the Vatican. And for

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those of you that haven't been to the Vatican, it is an

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extraordinary place. It is the smallest country in the world a

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little factoid. Another factoid is it's got the highest crime

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rate in the world. You wouldn't think of that in the Vatican,

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but they only have 1000 people that live there. So it is, you

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know, percentage wise, it's got the highest crime rate, which I

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always find comical. The other thing about the Vatican is that

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it has got the most consumption of wine per capita in the world.

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Again, they only have 1000 people that actually are

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citizens there so it's a little skewed but going there as Seeing

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the Sistine Chapel, seeing, you know, the just the divine

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brilliance of Michelangelo. It's it's incredible in the Sistine

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Chapel, we had a chance to see edge who's part of YouTube and

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his father had just died. And he was the first contemporary

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artists who play in the Sistine Chapel. And it literally brought

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tears to my eyes. He was doing an homage to his father and I

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met him and oh my gosh, he was just incredible. And I'm a big

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YouTube fan. So that was special. We also had the

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opportunity and privilege to meet Pope Francis. And that day,

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my son, Grayson got kissed by Pope Francis, and also got

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kissed by then Vice President Biden that exact same day so

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it's a Mount Rushmore for something. I don't know what but

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grace is certainly, you know, very fortunate lucky. Gavin was

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named his namesake is Pope Francis. So it's Gavin Francis

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Shi'a. And so, it was quite an amazing trip. We met people from

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around the world, the biggest of the big and it didn't matter

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what religion what race what you did, it's the Vatican is a very

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special place somehow, some way. Everyone kind of put their egos

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at the door even just for a couple hours and and you felt

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you were part of something bigger than yourself. So that's

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kind of one trip that I'll never forget. And we're currently

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working with the Vatican on on many initiatives. So it's, it's

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been very special Catholic Church has a lot of issues. But

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nobody houses close feeds, educates reverberate provides

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more health care globally in the Catholic Church. So something

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that gets lost and stuff. So so that was, that was definitely

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one, I think, very special trip.

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receivers. Why you why you wait, why you think of

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that I actually have been to the Vatican and the Sistine Chapel.

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But I went in the Jubilee Year of 2000, they cleaned the place

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up like crazy, it was unbelievable. I got to go to

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Israel, and then on to Italy, and like all over Italy, but I

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really enjoyed it. It's really a tremendous that just the art in

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itself, but just the presence, the feeling. It was incredible.

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I will tell you that so I didn't get to meet the Pope. But I

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still the feeling was just incredible. So I'm so glad you

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shared that what what else you want to share, show

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another trip that I think was memorable, because I

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the trips that are memorable are always with the families and,

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and someone told me once he's like, you know, my children

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didn't remember anything. I bought them. They didn't

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remember a whole lot of what I did for him, but but they

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remember the family trips. So that's something you know, as I

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was having children, my children, our 11, nine and seven

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kind of, I always remembered, so we went to Lake Nona a couple

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years ago, I believe it was 2022 now, and and we got a chance to

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meet a bunch of a bunch of very interesting people. Of course,

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if you haven't been to Lake Nona, it is unbelievable.

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They're building like the city of the future. Some of the folks

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that we had an opportunity to meet were number one, Deepak

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Chopra, and I had never actually spent time with him, I had a

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chance to, to spend time with him, my whole family meditated

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with him. And just an amazing, inspiring person, so humble, you

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know, somebody that that, you know, just incredible, like how

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he can bring people together, he has a very calming presence

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about him. And he really opened my eyes to, you know, we look at

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everyone looks at things in certain lens. And, you know, the

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way that you know, his his tapping into, you know, higher

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energies, higher frequencies, spirituality. I mean, it's just,

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it was so inspiring. And I still have a really cute picture of my

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kids meditating with Deepak, and it's something, something that

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I'll never forget. And, and then on that same trip, we also had

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the opportunity to meet Bill Clinton. And that was the day

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I'll never forget, because that was the same day that a bill

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that Russia invaded Ukraine. And not only do we have a chance to

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meet Bill Clinton, but to listen to the guys speak for over an

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hour from no notes, no teleprompter. I have to tell you

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how we're regardless of any, you know, political lens, just

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hearing someone with such depth of knowledge. You know, was was,

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I was like, wow, this is like, you know, when you look at

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leaders, you're like, you know, you want someone like him at the

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helm. Whether it's a company or a country or I mean, he was just

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really, really inspiring. And then another one more recently

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was last May. I personally had a chance to go to the Milken

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global conference I'd never been, I'd become very good

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friends with Michael Milken. But to see that guy in action to

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see, I mean, talk about one of the quintessential dealmakers of

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our time to see the amount of people that he brought in, a lot

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of people don't know, the 78 people that worked with Michael

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Milken are not billionaires, you know, to see a guy, you know,

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obviously, everyone knows he had, you know, issues as well.

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And to see him pivot from that, and to see what he's done. And

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to see this global ecosystem, where they're, they're taking on

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some of the most daunting challenges of our time. I mean,

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talk about humbling, talk about inspiring, just tell you a quick

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story about that. I'm walking in to the conference on Sunday, and

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he's got like, 30 people around him, and I'm walking, just

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getting there going to register, and he sees me and he comes and

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gives me a hug. He's like, Shi'a, what, what the hell are

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you doing, you're supposed to be in this lecture right now. Like,

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oh, my gosh, the guy has 1000s of people 1000s 1000s of people

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to egg somehow he knew where I was supposed to be at two

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o'clock Sunday afternoon, it was mind numbing, I just literally

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floored me, but you know, he just someone I admire immensely,

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and, and what he put together to bring people together, which in

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our time, in our very complicated world these days,

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you know, you know, to bring people together and to talk,

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and, and, you know, you know, talk about ways that we can

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elevate humanity. You know, Michael is very inspiring to me.

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For for everything he's done, so that, that three of many, many,

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many.

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So one of the things that I admire is that

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when you meet people, you actually are learning about

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them. And they're human. All right, they've all fall down, we

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all get back up again, right? We're not perfect. We are human,

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we make mistakes. And what would you say that the qualities of

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good people and good leaders are, you've met so many.

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So something that's very important to me

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today is authenticity. I think when you find somebody that

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really is coming from the right place, really doing something

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that's in their DNA, it's kind of, you know, something that God

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has meant him to do. I think it's, you can tell and, and, you

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know, it's inspiring. Someone once said to me, if you chase

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your passion, you find your purpose. And those people, those

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people that that chase their passion, find their purpose. I

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think, you know, when you find it, and one thing, you know,

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lesson learned with that life's not easy. As you know, Howard,

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look at all the things challenges you've had to who to

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face and, but when you find your passion, and those tough moments

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come, you know, you can weather the storm, whether it's a

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business, whether it's a relationship, you know, you

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know, whatever it may be, and if you're not passionate, you know

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about something, you know, or someone or when those tough

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moments come, they'll crumble. So I think that's really

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important, it's part of your journey is to really, you know,

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find your purpose and, and I end for me, you know, it's been

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making healthcare affordable, and accessible to as many people

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globally as we can, that's, that's what God meant me to do.

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It manifests in the opportunity to meet a lot of folks and

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travel a lot of places and do many things. But the core of it

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is when you provide access to affordable accessible health

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care to as many people as you can be put the care back in

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health care, you put the human back in humanity and so I it

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took me a while to kind of figure that out. But once I have

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it really has taken myself and everything my family does and

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everything our company does to a whole nother level. So I think

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those purpose driven people and companies and organizations,

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they will be ready for whatever the world throws at them.

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We love it the human back in humanity the care

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back in health care. You're a man on a mission and you know

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we're the shining brightly movement is with you and

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together that's what we want to do. We want to lift up others

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First of all, you got to lift up yourself, but lift up others and

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make the world a better place. And we can do that we can do it

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together it there are people in need all over the place,

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including, you know, right here in our own backyard and Michigan

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and in the United States and things like that. So, I believe,

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what are the big things that you're looking forward to? You

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know, now that we're through the pandemic, and we're getting back

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to some normalcy? What are some of the big things that you want

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to accomplish coming forward?

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So with our company, I will start there,

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because that's a big part of our life, we've been on this

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journey, a journey of transformation from kind of a

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products company, to one of the preeminent companies providing

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products and services to patients in the homes, to to a

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population health company. So measure managing and optimizing

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large populations of folks around the globe, and doing it

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in a very unique way. So for example, one thing that we found

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is working with minorities and working with underserved

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underprivileged folks and training them to take care of

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their own, you get better outcomes. And and you really

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start breaking the cycle. So there's a lot of medical data

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that shows that underserved populations when taken care of

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by their own folks, they do much better. So the we're, I'm in

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development, and we're leveraging technology and

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innovation, I'll say gene B 2.0, or jnb. Three point, point O is

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really our most important attributes from a business

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perspective, our, our, our data or our technology, AI. And so

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we've really taken the home health arena, from a proverbial

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eight track tape to a proverbial iPhone. So you know, we're very

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proud of taking this antiquated marketplace, and really

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modernizing it. But ultimately, Howard, at the end of the day,

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it's all about people. It's all about trust. And so people say

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What's your most valuable asset, and I always say, it's our

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relationships. And there's the five ships relationship,

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fellowship, friendship, partnership, discipleship, and

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we have a partnership discipleship level relationship

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with a lot of key people. I was at an event recently hosted by

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Lucas Walton, you know, his family started Walmart, and he

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said something to me, that's just been, you know, I think

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about every day he's like, you know, Steven, you know, change,

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elevating humanity moves at the speed of trust. And I was like,

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Wow, it's so true. Because at the end of the day, that human

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element is so important. And I'm actually listening to a book now

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from Stephen Covey moving at the speed of trust. And it just,

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it's, we can never lose that personal element. And that's

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something today, Howard, that's lacking. You know, everyone

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wants to do the deal. So many things are so transactional in

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our world today. But don't people don't focus on building

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trust. They don't focus on that. And, and I think that that is

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something that is needed. You know, the more trust you have,

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the faster you can go. So that's why moving at the speed of

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trust, it just, it's something that's been I've been thinking

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about every day, since since Lucas told me about this over a

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month ago and something I wanted. Yeah.

Howard Brown: 00:23:31

You went so fast. Give me the partnership.

Howard Brown: 00:23:33

discipleship. Give me the five ships.

Stephen Shaya: 00:23:35

Oh, okay. friendship, fellowship.

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Partnership. We friendship, fellowship, partnership,

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discipleship.

Howard Brown: 00:23:50

I love it. I love it. Thank you, when so fast, I

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know, the audience needs to hear it and i Repeating It's okay.

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Well now. So I again, I want you to put on your sunglasses for me

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here because we have to shine brightly together. Because this

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show is really just a tease about you. And all you do and

Howard Brown: 00:24:09

all the good work of the family office and JB medical, so we're

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gonna shine brightly and put the spotlight on you, Steven, tell

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people how they should best get a hold of you, and then share

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some wisdom and some inspiration as we close out the show.

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So to get a hold of me, if you use LinkedIn, you

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can you can send me an invite to Stephen Shaya MD and that's Ste

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pH en Shaya MD. Or you can follow me at my family office

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Akkad holdings akk ad holdings were Iraqi Christians. And the

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kidding Empire was the first empire in Mesopotamia and they

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were the great connectors of their time. So that's how we

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that's how we came up with that name. So LinkedIn is a very good

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way. If you use Instagram, it's a at Dr. Swamy, which is, which

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is Swami was my nickname and all through my, my schooling years

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long story for a different day. And then of course, we also have

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Akkad holdings on on, you know, all the all the different you

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can just go to Akkad holdings and follow us whether it's on

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Instagram or Facebook or, or whatever, whatever sites there

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but again, you know the words of wisdom, I just want to just go

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back again, chase your passion to find your purpose, find out

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what really gets you energized, what gets you excited, you know,

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you know, it's not about making money i To me, it's about

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finding that thing, you know, that divine, you know, tapping

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into that divine DNA and, and in and seeing what, what, what

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really can, you know, energize you every day. And I think if

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you find that you can you can park the Red Sea, and I really

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believe that and, and I hope everyone does. I welcome any

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conversations with anyone. And and, you know, the other thing

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is, you know, if you look in the world, it's easy to you know,

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find negative negative things in the world, you know, looking the

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good and people looking the good in situations, nobody's perfect.

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And we're all divine beings on a human journey. And we've got to

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remember that we're all kind of going through our own journey,

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our own challenges. And, and I think at the end of the day, if

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we search for good, we'll find it and if you search for

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something else, that's what you're gonna find. So

Howard Brown: 00:26:35

wow, I gotta take my glasses off. And thank you so

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much for, as you'd like to say sharing some homeless today we

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shared homeless, it's we I love doing that with you. So I'm

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going to close out the show. You've been listening and

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watching the shining, brightly, podcast show. Thank you. Again,

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I want to shout out to the people that make me look great,

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which is financial publishing. Read the spirit magazine every

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Monday going out to over 50,000 My amplify you is my podcast

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house. They're amazing. And diamond moments magazine, that

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is teachers we every week, I'm sorry every month, but just a

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great show. Thank you, Steven, I look forward to making hummus

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with you in the future and just Godspeed to you and your family

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and all that you're doing to make the world a better place.

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And remember, if we choose to shine brightly, we become a

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force multiplier for good and positive change in this world.

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You can do it. Come join Stephen and I thank you