BE CONFLICT FREE With Amy Armstrong

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Hello, it's Howard Brown. It's the Shining Brightly

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Show. I have some of the most spectacular guests and today is

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it's just unbelievable. My good friend Amy Armstrong is here. I

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Amy, how are you? I showered I'm very well and just really

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thrilled to be here. I have to tell you that I met Amy in New

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York and her energy is so contagious. Just I've really

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gotten to know her over the past year. And you're just such a

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fantastic friend and a good person and a good extremely good

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speaker and also businesswoman. So let me tell people about you

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because I need to share you. So any Armstrong is a pioneer in

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bringing innovative conflict resolution practices to the

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arena of family law and beyond. You've got to actually a little

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bit of a trademark right? Isn't it from the bedroom to the

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boardroom to the courtroom,

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actually exactly reversed the right rooms. But so

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much of what I've learned has come from the courtroom. And now

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I'm taking it to corporate boardrooms and definitely into

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the bedroom.

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I got to get it straight out

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From the courtroom, to the boardroom to

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the bedroom.

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I love it. Oh my god, I gotta lead with that on

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social media. I just happen to love that so much. So anyways, I

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didn't mean to get off track but you are an innovator on when it

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comes to conflict resolution. With in an arena of family law

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and beyond. You're a co founder of the Centre for family

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resolution CFR in Columbus, Ohio. You've established a hub

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for specialised trauma informed interventions, addressing

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diverse needs and families, businesses, schools and

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communities. CFR is a really a network of professional coaches

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under your training and guidance. And you navigate

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complex situations such as divorce, politics, power

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struggles, co parenting issues, for court involved families, you

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have lots of cool notable presentations, the paradox of

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power trauma informed approaches to conflict resolution, and you

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do frequent talks to the association of family and

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conciliation courts and the Ohio Supreme Court. Also, one of the

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things that I love that you do is that you actually work with

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my Robin, which is the social emotional learning support for

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professionals and families and then New York City public

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schools as well. Since 2020, Amy has served as the director of

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education for the Centre for Coach development, preparing

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professionals to earn credentials with the

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international coaching Federation and excel in their

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chosen field. You do a lot and you are a grandma of six and may

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and you've it's just amazing. You're here. I just My first

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question is, how are you shining brightly? Or what does someone

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not know about you that you want to share? What are you here to

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tell us?

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Yeah, I'll actually answer both at the same

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time.

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Oh, okay. Double.

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Yeah, so what people don't know about me,

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Howard, is that my shining brightly used to be fake. And

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it's raw and real now. And so that's how I'm shining brightly

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is I'm real. And I did not know how to be real. Howard, I'm not

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exaggerating, 45 years before I stepped into the arena of real.

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Wow, you know, no one's ever answered that

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question like that, to me. And I only know you as authentic real.

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And I don't know the other Amy, So why don't we go back and

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share a little bit of your background? Because I actually I

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don't even know that.

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Well, I love to share it because my power

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literally came from my story. And how are you did meet me at a

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very real time when I had stepped in to my authentic

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professional and personal journey, but I did it wrong for

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so long. I was this kind, caring, nice nurturing person,

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right? And really believed in my heart of hearts, that to be a

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good person, it meant to always think about the other guy always

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do what would help other people to feel good. And I just

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completely bypassed my own sense of what was right or true or

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important to me. So you know, it can be a little bit of a cliche,

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you know, to put yourself first or take care of yourself first.

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But I never bought into that because I thought it meant I was

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putting others second. And what I have come to find out Howard

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is there is no separation. What's good for us is good for

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the other and what's good for the other is good for So, once

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we're authentic,

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wow,

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kind of a myth bust. So to choose whether we're

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first or their first,

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yeah, so I know now I actually understand why

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we're so aligned. And we have so much appreciation for each other

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because my wife, you know, said to me, when she met me that, you

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know, Howard, you always give the shirt off your back, and you

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even iron it too. And then you're left without a shirt. So

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I know I'm now understanding, the older AMY now is that you

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become so giving of others is that you neglect yourself. And

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take me through more of your story there the backyard.

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Sure, so I took care of an alcoholic mom through

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my high school years. And just felt like it was my job to help

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bring her comfort. And I wasn't able to do that. So I always

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felt really down, that I wasn't able to really help her fix

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herself. And then I had a real dependency on my older sister,

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and then on my husband, and I put really my own decision

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making on hold and just follow the rules follow the direction

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that these folks that I perceived were wiser than I am

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just really followed what I thought they wanted me to do, or

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advised me to do. And Howard, I've come such a long way with

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this because as a coach, I've stepped into this model of

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really teaching people through my coaching, to only follow what

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is true for them. We just can't make decisions from the outside.

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Right, we get information from the outside, but then we check

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in with ourselves to see how that information is landing

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before we make a decision. And I just never knew about that step.

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So I tried to do what I was, you know, what a good daughter would

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do for my mom, I tried to do what a good wife would do with

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my husband. And it was such a disappointment. It was a heart

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ache, after a heart ache after a heart ache. Because I wasn't

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there, I was completely abandoning myself and had no

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idea why I had all this pain in my body.

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Yeah, interesting. Now, you, you took care of your

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mom, alcoholic mom, you had some sisters, and but you did get

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married.

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I did, I got married to the to the person I

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felt secure with him. I didn't feel like myself per se, because

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I didn't really know what that meant. But I did have a sense of

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security. And that was a real attraction for me. But Howard,

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after 25 years of marriage, you know, we could not have bombed

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in a more scandalous, dramatic, just awful way our kids were

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thrown under the bus. You know, both my reputation and my

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husband's reputation were thrown under the bus, you know, we had

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been this, you know, upstanding couple in our community. And

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when our marriage fell apart, it was ugly and embarrassing. And I

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was really humiliated. And Howard this. This sounds like

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I'm being dramatic. But it's true, I really thought I was

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going to die. Because my identity was so wrapped up in

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this other person that I did not know there was something left or

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would be something left after the marriage ended. And so my

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big aha, which I'm still enjoying, literally, it's my

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light today. That helps me shine today is recognising that people

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are going to come and go, I get to enjoy lots of people in my

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life, but there's only one me. And if I don't know me and check

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in with me and have amazing conversations with me, that's

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where the problem is. So I'm very, very thankful that the

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turn of events included some really amazing support people

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that helped me start to tell the truth. I literally had a friend

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Howard, that was so courageous, because she could point out some

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of the ways that I was incongruent, right, she would

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listen to how I felt. And then she would watch what I did. And

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she would say, Amy, those two don't go together. And she

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basically called me out in a loving way. I had no idea what

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she was talking about at first but eventually learned, oh,

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yeah, I need to be true. And find a way to say what I have to

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say that's true. That's still in keeping with my values. And

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that's literally what I do today as a coach is I help people

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identify what's important to them, what their beliefs are

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what's true for them. I'm and then make sure that they're

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congruent with their values.

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I love that because it goes directly as I've

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written in shining brightly about, we all get knocked down

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in life. So much harder. Listen, I don't wish anyone to get to

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stage four cancer diagnosis ever. But I know I can't control

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that. I don't believe that you ever want and wish anyone to get

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divorced. But that's just not it's living in a fantasy land.

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But we all have to get back up again. And use that light, okay,

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come from darkness to light, use that light to lift up ourselves

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and lift up others, which is my mantra every day to tell us how

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you got back up again.

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Yeah. Well, may I ask you, in order to answer that

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question, even when people have cancer diagnoses, there are

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options. And they have to choose what's right for them. And

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everyone chooses their own way of handling, cancer, divorce,

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whatever comes their way. And we're all learning to expand our

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comfort zones. And finding the right next step, the right

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treatment, the right support people is key to in really

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recognising how to read our own needs and beliefs and and check

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in with our whole body to see what's going to be right for us.

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And so I literally started doing that that was my get up. That's

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my get up muscle. Right, is checking in and saying, Oh, let

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me think about that for a minute. What do I do want to do

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this evening? Who do I want to spend my time with? Who do I

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want to invest in or be business partner with? And so I've had

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lots of very dear special people in my life and to be able to

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recognise that I'm choosing how I want to lean in, in every

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situation in every relationship. That's the getup is making

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choices that are intentional, that are clear, we're not just,

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you know, bleeping because something sort of sounds right,

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right. We're making clear, informed decisions. And that's

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where our confidence comes from. When people know that they're

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making a decision based on clarity and a calm body and

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letting that confidence bubble up, we can feel really good

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about whatever needs to happen next in our life.

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Yeah, I this is what we tell, you know, folks

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that have been knocked down. Okay. And this is what I do on

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my survivorship coaching practice, as well as that we

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don't want you to isolate. We want you to actually be selfish

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in your time of need. And we want you to find a happy place.

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We want you to go focus on others by lifting up others the

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endorphins, we want you to be have the mental toughness and

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the discipline to weed out the negativity, the boundary

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breakers, the people that are not aligned with what you're

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doing. And so if you can follow those small steps, you can

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actually get back up again. So it's really, really good. And go

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ahead.

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Well, I wanted to share my formula for boundaries.

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Because my one of my sort of signature concepts Howard is I

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noticed what was true for me was that I had trouble setting

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boundaries, because it felt distancing. It felt like I was

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pushing people away, and it was cold and prickly. And I knew

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that wasn't really me because I love being connected and kind

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and close to people. And so even when someone's really done us

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wrong, or or mistreated us in some way, we can set boundaries

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that are about us. I call it pro me, not anti you. So we set a

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boundary on what we are willing and able to do. We're not

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telling others what they can do or should do or can't do. So a

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simple one, let's say my son asked me, he says, Mom, I need a

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ride home from work. I need you to pick me up at 530. Well, and

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I'm making this up. If I don't get off work till 530. I might

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say, Oh, great. I'd love to pick you up. I can be there by six

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o'clock. That's a boundary. That's a no to 530. And

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absolutely, I'd love to support you and be there to pick you up.

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And here's the time I can be there. So if someone asks us,

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maybe they need support, and we just don't feel willing or able

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to do exactly what they're asking, make an offer. say

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here's what I can do. And that feels good to both people. It's

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a boundary that can still leave us feeling very connected.

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I think that's great. I love it. The Pro me for

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your boundaries, it's great. I want to get into something

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because conflict resolution in relationships, in business in

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life, okay, it's part of people being able to maybe not as

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effectively communicate, collaborate and connect. It's

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just sort of what we are we are we get to disagreement. And

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sometimes it's understood, and sometimes it's not tell me, you

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know, you, you now, this has become your expertise, and

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especially with families, you know, in sensitive time. So take

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take me through conflict resolution, and sure how you

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help people?

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Sure. So it takes two to tangle, right, if you're

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gonna have a tangle, both people have to be invested in the

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tangle. And it takes one person to resolve the conflict, because

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it's only a conflict if there's stress and tension and

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frustration, and hurt. So a fun story with this is my husband

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and I are from different sides of the political aisle. And when

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the political season started heating up for this for this

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year, you know, he said, he said to me, can we kind of make a

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deal not to talk about politics? And I said, No, I actually think

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it's really engaging to talk about politics. But I will

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promise you, I won't fuss about it. Right? So I can guarantee

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with him that if there's anything that feels like stress

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or tension, we're going to back off. But it's interesting to

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engage with, with someone that I respect that I care about, that

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has differences of opinion on certain issues, not everything,

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but to be able to know that I can actually support him as a

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person without agreeing with him. And we can engage in a

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conversation, because we have a commitment to not arguing about

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it. And so it's that sense that there is a big difference

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between a disagreement and a conflict. A conflict is when

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we're trying to control the actions or thoughts of another

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person. And as long as we can check ourselves in recognise,

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remember, I don't need to control this person, I can

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control myself, I can choose how and when to engage, communicate,

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be with another professional present, some people never agree

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to start having conversations without a professional, or at

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least some third party to support them. That's fine.

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That's their choice. And other people that I work with, even

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after domestic violence, even after really high stakes,

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conflicts over money, time, health care, the children, etc.

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They're able to learn to take care of themselves well enough

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that they can re engage with that other person.

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I love it that it does take two to tango. And

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disagreements are okay. But when it gets nasty, that's, that's no

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fun. It's really no fun and it's worked.

Amy Armstrong: 00:18:56

Well, we have a country that is highly

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individualistic. And we tend to feel better about ourselves when

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we're with people that think like we do. And I challenge

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myself, you everyone listening to notice what it does for you

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when someone agrees with you. And recognise that you can get

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that need met for confidence and security and trust in yourself

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without needing someone else to agree with you.

Howard Brown: 00:19:31

I agree. Well, they're gonna find out more

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about you through the show notes and on social media and click

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and contact you and bring you in as a speaker and as an expert as

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well. But I want one more thing that brings joy to your life

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that I know because you light up when you talk about how that you

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actually get credentials for coaching development. Tell us a

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little bit about how you do that.

Amy Armstrong: 00:19:53

Yes, so I actually started this company to

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help other professionals get their international coaching

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Federation accreditation. And I did it because so many people

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admired how I could support people to be in situations where

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there were disagreements without trying to impose and interfere

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and, and sort of insist that someone else does things your

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way. And that's what we learn in ICF coaching is that we can

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really suspend our own judgments, and listen to and

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support another person, it's actually not that easy. It's,

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it's a little bit of work, because, you know, intelligent

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people have opinions. And it's very easy to try to impose

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those, even in very well meaning ways, it's very easy to impose

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those on other people. And so I started this company, to help

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train other people who are really wanting to be that level

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of present and effective with other people in their life,

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whether it's, you know, becoming a professional coach, or being

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better at their job, no matter what they're doing, or just

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being more effective in all their relationships.

Howard Brown: 00:21:16

That's awesome. It's really exciting. We were

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talking in the green room, and I shared with you that I was

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actually, we had a diplomatic internet interface Seder the

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other night. And I started my presentation by just looking in

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all of the room and of how we gathered, because the world is a

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difficult place right now. And people have very definitive, you

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know, opinions. And I actually call it hate, there's, there's

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people are choosing to be hateful through their words and

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through their action. And I just saw in the room when I had

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diplomats from 11 different countries, and had Muslim,

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Hindu, Christian, Catholic and other and Jewish leaders all

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together, okay, for a common purpose. And I, that's the

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remarkable work that that we can do and can be capable of. And I

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actually have a discussion resource guide about interfaith

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relations. But I know that I was sharing that with you. And I

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just, I tried to put it to use the things that I learned from

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a&e and the things that you teach. So it's, I am the student

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a little bit as well. So I just it's important, okay, to be

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authentic and intentional, but it's also important to be

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truthful, and I go back to what you first said, is being true to

Howard Brown: 00:22:35

yourself. And that that is the big takeaway for me today. So I

Howard Brown: 00:22:39

appreciate that. Can we do the shining, brightly spotlight? Do

Howard Brown: 00:22:43

you have some sunglasses for me?

Amy Armstrong: 00:22:45

Absolutely.

Howard Brown: 00:22:46

Okay, let's put them on. Alright. We are

Howard Brown: 00:22:50

shining, the brightest shining, the shining, brightly spotlight

Howard Brown: 00:22:53

on you. Okay. Amy Armstrong, tell people how they can get in

Howard Brown: 00:22:56

touch with you. And then share a little inspiration with me.

Amy Armstrong: 00:23:01

Sure, I have a personal LinkedIn page that is

Amy Armstrong: 00:23:07

Amy Armstrong, coach. I do lots of conflict videos on Tiktok

Amy Armstrong: 00:23:13

under Amy Armstrong conflict free. And I'd love for folks to

Amy Armstrong: 00:23:18

check out my website at the Centre for family

Amy Armstrong: 00:23:21

resolution.com.

Howard Brown: 00:23:24

And I heard you might have a special gift

Howard Brown: 00:23:25

coming.

Amy Armstrong: 00:23:26

I sure do. Oh, gosh. So I love this gift,

Amy Armstrong: 00:23:29

Howard, because people love quizzes, right? We've all had

Amy Armstrong: 00:23:33

plenty of experience with conflict. And this quiz helps

Amy Armstrong: 00:23:37

you really identify where you're coming from with conflict, a

Amy Armstrong: 00:23:41

little bit of what you're afraid of, and what's going to really

Amy Armstrong: 00:23:43

help you bring out your best in times of conflict.

Howard Brown: 00:23:47

Excellent. So we'll put the links to that quiz

Howard Brown: 00:23:49

all over the place. So that's a nice gift for you. So thank you.

Howard Brown: 00:23:53

All right, I'm going to take off my glasses because I want to

Howard Brown: 00:23:55

hear you can take yours off if you want. And let's share with

Howard Brown: 00:23:59

me some inspiration and then kick it over to me and I'll

Howard Brown: 00:24:02

close off the show.

Amy Armstrong: 00:24:03

Sure, Howard.

Amy Armstrong: 00:24:05

Everyone wants to tell the truth. And it takes courage. So

Amy Armstrong: 00:24:10

my inspiration today is find one person that you can make eye

Amy Armstrong: 00:24:17

contact, lean in just a little bit and say something that makes

Amy Armstrong: 00:24:22

you a little bit afraid. Have the courage to expand your

Amy Armstrong: 00:24:26

comfort zone and try it out. Be kind be gentle, and be truthful.

Howard Brown: 00:24:33

Wow. Wow, sage wisdom. Thank you for that

Howard Brown: 00:24:37

inspiration. I really appreciate it. Well, this has been an

Howard Brown: 00:24:41

amazing episode. I want to give thanks a little bit some of the

Howard Brown: 00:24:45

people that got me here so my publishing house rented

Howard Brown: 00:24:49

publishing read this spirit.com That's my weekly blog, and also

Howard Brown: 00:24:54

the podcast group that is just as amazing, which is amplify you

Howard Brown: 00:24:59

network. As you can reach me at shiningbrightly.com It has the

Howard Brown: 00:25:03

book it as how to actually look and bring me on for a speaking

Howard Brown: 00:25:08

event to make your event shine. It also has this podcast, but

Howard Brown: 00:25:12

more importantly it has my advocacy of what I try to do in

Howard Brown: 00:25:15

the cancer world what I do in the mentorship and entrepreneur,

Howard Brown: 00:25:18

entrepreneurship world and also in the interfaith world. And so

Howard Brown: 00:25:21

that's really what helps define me. And remember, if we shine

Howard Brown: 00:25:26

brightly just a little bit each day for ourselves. For others in

Howard Brown: 00:25:31

our neighbourhoods, communities, the world will become a better

Howard Brown: 00:25:34

place.