HEAL THE PEOPLE & HEAL THE PLANET With CAREY MACCARTHY

Howard Brown: 00:00:04

Hello, it's Howard Brown is the Shining Brightly

Howard Brown: 00:00:07

Show. I've got a great one for you again today. I love people

Howard Brown: 00:00:11

that help people. And I want to introduce Carey McCarthy. Carey,

Howard Brown: 00:00:15

welcome to the show. So great to see you.

Howard Brown: 00:00:18

CAREY MACCARTHY,: So great to see you, Howard. Thanks for

Howard Brown: 00:00:20

having me.

Howard Brown: 00:00:21

I love the Indian motif. We're gonna get into that

Howard Brown: 00:00:24

I see a pillow behind you and a blanket. We're gonna get into

Howard Brown: 00:00:27

all of that. But I need to tell you about Carey. We met only

Howard Brown: 00:00:31

recently, maybe a few months ago, whatever. But we connected

Howard Brown: 00:00:36

and we I just want to tell you her story. And I want to share

Howard Brown: 00:00:39

this with the world and my audience. So Tara McCarthy, she

Howard Brown: 00:00:43

is so credentialed, she has lots of little letters after her name

Howard Brown: 00:00:46

and a ATR LPCC. And you're the founder and CEO of start up art

Howard Brown: 00:00:53

therapy to rewire your brain. And you were voted the top Art

Howard Brown: 00:00:57

Therapist of the year for 2024. Congratulations on that. You've

Howard Brown: 00:01:01

been featured on major networks on ABC, NBC, CBS Fox, I guess

Howard Brown: 00:01:05

that's all of them. NPR, brains magazine, who's who in America.

Howard Brown: 00:01:10

While you lot of awards. Carey is the author, presenter,

Howard Brown: 00:01:14

speaker, researcher, and you're prominent in the art therapy

Howard Brown: 00:01:18

since 2000. And once you've been doing this a while you are a

Howard Brown: 00:01:22

registered Art Therapist with the art therapy credentials

Howard Brown: 00:01:25

board the ATC? Is it B? Yep. And a licenced professional clinical

Howard Brown: 00:01:30

counsellor, you have co authored the neural developmental art

Howard Brown: 00:01:34

therapy pioneer with Pioneer Linda Chapman, I guess she's big

Howard Brown: 00:01:40

in this world. I looked her up. And then you have a school based

Howard Brown: 00:01:43

arts curriculum for Native American youth and all cultures.

Howard Brown: 00:01:48

And then it says here that it's called interventions for

Howard Brown: 00:01:51

development and learning facilitators manual that you

Howard Brown: 00:01:55

actually published in 2017. Just finishing up you are recognised

Howard Brown: 00:02:00

trauma experts specialising in child and adolescent trauma, and

Howard Brown: 00:02:04

Native American historical trauma. Wow. And we're going to

Howard Brown: 00:02:07

talk about that too. And you are trained in using the red road

Howard Brown: 00:02:10

approach to healing. We're going to talk about that with the

Howard Brown: 00:02:14

Lakota and Dakota tribes. You are fluent in Spanish. And your

Howard Brown: 00:02:18

mission is to help rebuild the First Nations people, which is

Howard Brown: 00:02:22

amazing. The indigenous people Carey believes that healing

Howard Brown: 00:02:26

should be accessible to all. And people of all ages and all

Howard Brown: 00:02:30

cultures. Please join her in this movement to heal the people

Howard Brown: 00:02:33

and heal the planet. I love that. Oh my goodness. Well,

Howard Brown: 00:02:38

let's actually call it tell me that that's a great intro. But

Howard Brown: 00:02:41

tell me something maybe we don't know about you, or maybe a

Howard Brown: 00:02:44

little secret you want to share?

Howard Brown: 00:02:47

CAREY MACCARTHY,: Well, Howard, when life gives you lemons,

Howard Brown: 00:02:51

learn to boogie board.

Howard Brown: 00:02:54

Do you know how to do that?

Howard Brown: 00:02:56

CAREY MACCARTHY,: I do I am a beach bum. So that's something

Howard Brown: 00:02:59

that people don't know about me. But any chance I get ever since

Howard Brown: 00:03:02

I was born raised in California and ever, ever since I moved

Howard Brown: 00:03:07

back here a few years ago I took up boogie boarding when things

Howard Brown: 00:03:12

fell apart and you know during COVID and ended up at the beach

Howard Brown: 00:03:16

on the waves

Howard Brown: 00:03:18

I want to share with you I need a boogie board.

Howard Brown: 00:03:20

And I've done it. My college roommate had a boat and lived on

Howard Brown: 00:03:23

the ocean outside of Boston to a place called Duxbury mass. And

Howard Brown: 00:03:27

in college, I learned how to boogie board. I learned how to

Howard Brown: 00:03:29

windsurf too. I just don't do it enough.

Howard Brown: 00:03:32

CAREY MACCARTHY,: Awesome. Well, we got to boogie boarding date.

Howard Brown: 00:03:35

Right? hang loose, right? We got to do that it got

Howard Brown: 00:03:38

to Hawaii hang loose. All right. Well, let's dive into this

Howard Brown: 00:03:41

because we got a lot to talk about today. And so the first

Howard Brown: 00:03:44

thing I'd love to share a little bit about your life and a little

Howard Brown: 00:03:48

background on kind of how you became who you are today. So

Howard Brown: 00:03:51

take us back aways there.

Howard Brown: 00:03:53

CAREY MACCARTHY,: Okay, so Well, I was born into a very

Howard Brown: 00:03:56

interesting dysfunctional family with a borderline personality

Howard Brown: 00:04:01

disordered mother who became a severe alcoholic and an autistic

Howard Brown: 00:04:07

father. So I was pretty much a latchkey kid growing up, and

Howard Brown: 00:04:12

there was a lot of sexual abuse outside the home physical abuse

Howard Brown: 00:04:18

that culminated with my mother and me in the hospital and the

Howard Brown: 00:04:22

police coming and taking me and my brother away, and having to

Howard Brown: 00:04:26

go live with with my family, my father and my brother. So there

Howard Brown: 00:04:32

was a lot of sudden disruption and a lot of trauma going on in

Howard Brown: 00:04:38

my world. And as a result, I got great grades school was my

Howard Brown: 00:04:43

sanctuary. I was on the honour roll every year, you know, and,

Howard Brown: 00:04:49

but that, you know, I ended up living on the streets. So you

Howard Brown: 00:04:53

know, my dad kicked me out when I was 15. And in with the trauma

Howard Brown: 00:04:59

even though it was prison, running happily and doing well

Howard Brown: 00:05:02

in schools, like, there is so much anxiety and suffering and

Howard Brown: 00:05:06

depression and shame and guilt and all of those things that are

Howard Brown: 00:05:12

happening internally that nobody saw. So when my father kicked me

Howard Brown: 00:05:16

out on the streets, it just exacerbated that already

Howard Brown: 00:05:20

existing abandonment, trauma and the, all the other traumas that

Howard Brown: 00:05:24

had happened. And I just ended up, you know, being part of the

Howard Brown: 00:05:29

punk rock scene in the 1980s. And that was like a fam, a

Howard Brown: 00:05:34

familial block bond with other misfit kids. And I ended up

Howard Brown: 00:05:39

doing a lot of drugs and going to a lot of punk rock music

Howard Brown: 00:05:43

shows and became a young single mom at the age of 22. And but I

Howard Brown: 00:05:51

always had this urge to, to survive and to create and to

Howard Brown: 00:05:59

make something of myself. So I ended up putting myself through

Howard Brown: 00:06:03

school, and really made something of myself and and turn

Howard Brown: 00:06:09

that trauma around. And I became, I started majoring in

Howard Brown: 00:06:14

art. And then did a double major in art therapy or psychology as

Howard Brown: 00:06:19

my undergrad. And I started noticing how the art was really

Howard Brown: 00:06:23

transformative in my life. But just being an art student was

Howard Brown: 00:06:28

not the thing that was going to get me to where I wanted to be,

Howard Brown: 00:06:32

there was something more just been doing art. And so art and

Howard Brown: 00:06:38

psychology and the marriage of that was really important. So

Howard Brown: 00:06:40

that's when I became an art therapist and went into a three

Howard Brown: 00:06:44

year graduate programme in art therapy.

Howard Brown: 00:06:48

But you did a lot, I just want to just send her on

Howard Brown: 00:06:51

for a second, because it's an important thing. You're a

Howard Brown: 00:06:54

survivor. I mean, you You came through a lot. abuse,

Howard Brown: 00:06:59

abandonment, neglect, you got into, you know, your family and

Howard Brown: 00:07:04

your your your your basically your safezone was school and you

Howard Brown: 00:07:07

excelled there. But you found a crew of punk rocks, not saying

Howard Brown: 00:07:11

that they're bad or good. But, you know, they tended to get it

Howard Brown: 00:07:14

a little bit into drug use. And you became a very young mom very

Howard Brown: 00:07:18

quickly. And when you were a single mom at that time,

Howard Brown: 00:07:21

CAREY MACCARTHY,: yes, I was a single mother and remained so

Howard Brown: 00:07:24

throughout the whole 18 years of raising my daughter. Wow.

Howard Brown: 00:07:29

Because as a result of childhood trauma, you know you and not

Howard Brown: 00:07:33

being seen by your own family and getting that nurturing and

Howard Brown: 00:07:36

guidance that a child needs to form and to establish healthy

Howard Brown: 00:07:41

relationships and healthy boundaries. I was picking not

Howard Brown: 00:07:45

good partners for myself that were very narcissistic. And I

Howard Brown: 00:07:49

had developed a really interesting case of codependence

Howard Brown: 00:07:54

so really interesting, having blurry boundaries between where

Howard Brown: 00:07:59

I started in the other, you know, ended where where there

Howard Brown: 00:08:04

was that separation. So it's Did

Howard Brown: 00:08:07

you did you actually, Were you conscious of

Howard Brown: 00:08:09

trying to break this cycle with your own daughter?

Howard Brown: 00:08:12

CAREY MACCARTHY,: Yes, absolutely. Yeah, I

Howard Brown: 00:08:14

would think that so.

Howard Brown: 00:08:16

CAREY MACCARTHY,: Yeah, she's she's got a much better

Howard Brown: 00:08:18

foundation than I had.

Howard Brown: 00:08:21

Okay, so then, I mean, art therapy became your

Howard Brown: 00:08:26

new schooling, your new place where you just excelled. And

Howard Brown: 00:08:29

also the the clinical part of it as well. And so then you started

Howard Brown: 00:08:33

to give back, right, the next step after that, let's go there.

Howard Brown: 00:08:38

Yeah,

Howard Brown: 00:08:38

CAREY MACCARTHY,: so part of, you know, my own journey, being

Howard Brown: 00:08:41

healed from art therapy and going through graduate school

Howard Brown: 00:08:45

and finding that a lot of these trauma symptoms actually

Howard Brown: 00:08:48

dissipated for me. And at that time, I was seeking to heal

Howard Brown: 00:08:54

myself as well. So I was going out to Native American

Howard Brown: 00:08:57

reservations and doing ceremonies with them. This is,

Howard Brown: 00:09:02

you know, over 20 years ago, and I started feeling just so much

Howard Brown: 00:09:08

more, you know, who I meant to be on purpose. And I decided

Howard Brown: 00:09:15

when you know, I, there was a certain time in my life when my

Howard Brown: 00:09:18

daughter was raised that I was going to create a nonprofit and

Howard Brown: 00:09:22

go back to the reservations and live there in the Great Plains

Howard Brown: 00:09:27

region in South Dakota, and I did, and 2014 I founded a

Howard Brown: 00:09:34

nonprofit called indigenous Healing Arts Alliance. So I went

Howard Brown: 00:09:38

to the reservations. I lived on a small little reservation in

Howard Brown: 00:09:41

northeast Nebraska first and that was a really I had friends

Howard Brown: 00:09:46

there and connections and I was able to actually work as a

Howard Brown: 00:09:49

tribal historical preservation monitor with their tribal

Howard Brown: 00:09:54

historical preservation office while I developed this whole

Howard Brown: 00:09:58

programme, so I got to go and monitor different archaeological

Howard Brown: 00:10:03

sites for cultural properties. And I was trained in doing that,

Howard Brown: 00:10:09

which was fascinating. But I was really focused on healing Native

Howard Brown: 00:10:13

American trauma. So I was developing this programme based

Howard Brown: 00:10:19

on neuro developmental art therapy trauma treatment,

Howard Brown: 00:10:23

developed by Linda Chapman, who is a renowned art therapist, as

Howard Brown: 00:10:28

you mentioned in my bio, and she has since retired given

Howard Brown: 00:10:32

neurodevelopmental art therapy to me, and I've become the

Howard Brown: 00:10:35

successor of that inbuilt it out to have more neuroscience, and

Howard Brown: 00:10:39

more cultural competence. And we'll get into that piece in a

Howard Brown: 00:10:43

moment. But living on the reservations was so super

Howard Brown: 00:10:49

incredible and depressing and sad. But just seeing such a

Howard Brown: 00:10:56

beautiful people and seeing all of the traditions kept alive all

Howard Brown: 00:11:00

these years and seeing the fabric of a society, the

Howard Brown: 00:11:05

communal living and the way that they would get together and

Howard Brown: 00:11:09

honour certain people and have these big feeds and ceremonies

Howard Brown: 00:11:16

for people. And it's just it was, you know, and I ended up

Howard Brown: 00:11:20

marrying into the Lakota tribe and was with a traditional

Howard Brown: 00:11:25

dancer and well renowned artist, and from the Lakota tribe for

Howard Brown: 00:11:33

many years, and worked with Indian Health Services on Pine

Howard Brown: 00:11:38

Ridge Reservation. So I actually ended up moving to Pine Ridge

Howard Brown: 00:11:41

Reservation and the Black Hills of South Dakota, eventually. So,

Howard Brown: 00:11:47

you know, my whole life was going to powwows every weekend

Howard Brown: 00:11:52

and going to native art shows and ceremony, Sundance ceremony,

Howard Brown: 00:11:59

UEP, ceremonial, swampy ceremonies, and Sundance. And of

Howard Brown: 00:12:04

course, Lodge.

Howard Brown: 00:12:05

This is just so interesting. I have to tell you,

Howard Brown: 00:12:10

I've probably not been on a big Indian Reservation ever. But you

Howard Brown: 00:12:14

sort of got as a white woman learned a culture was accepted

Howard Brown: 00:12:20

into their community. But yeah, I mean, I know they have their

Howard Brown: 00:12:23

own language, but you learn their ceremony. Right? You took

Howard Brown: 00:12:26

that all very, very seriously. Is that how you got

Howard Brown: 00:12:29

indoctrinated and welcomed into their community by showing that

Howard Brown: 00:12:33

your true heart was there for the betterment of them? And I

Howard Brown: 00:12:36

mean, it's very interesting, you kind of showed up right at

Howard Brown: 00:12:40

first, but then got introduced into the community. I, it's just

Howard Brown: 00:12:44

amazing that you've dedicated a big majority of your life to

Howard Brown: 00:12:48

doing that, and had great intention, but they didn't know

Howard Brown: 00:12:50

you at first, right?

Howard Brown: 00:12:53

CAREY MACCARTHY,: Well, I had had some inroads for the past 20

Howard Brown: 00:12:56

years. So yes, and getting, you know, being introduced to

Howard Brown: 00:13:01

different people and just being involved. But they see your

Howard Brown: 00:13:05

heart and they, you know, many see who your energy field. And I

Howard Brown: 00:13:12

do have native blood from Ohio tribes, on my mom's side. So

Howard Brown: 00:13:18

going back, but if you are a white person, and you don't know

Howard Brown: 00:13:23

your oral history, and you don't know what your grandfather,

Howard Brown: 00:13:26

great grandfather's name was, you don't really go around

Howard Brown: 00:13:30

saying your native, right. So that's kind of frowned upon and

Howard Brown: 00:13:33

native Indian Country was it's called Indian country. So that's

Howard Brown: 00:13:37

not a racist thing, just just so people know. But yeah, being

Howard Brown: 00:13:42

part of these ceremonies being accepted in without culturally,

Howard Brown: 00:13:47

appropriating anything. And I have actually gone through a

Howard Brown: 00:13:51

process to be initiated to pour water and sweat lodges, and I do

Howard Brown: 00:13:55

hold that for my community. But that's not something that it's

Howard Brown: 00:14:01

it's not for sale, it's not something that I make money on.

Howard Brown: 00:14:06

So I want to just relate something to you. So I

Howard Brown: 00:14:08

just spoke on a cruise ship, and there was indigenous, cheap, or

Howard Brown: 00:14:15

Indian medicine person there. And I partook in my first water

Howard Brown: 00:14:18

ceremony. It was very enlightening to me, it never

Howard Brown: 00:14:22

happened. And then he put his hand on my shoulder. And he

Howard Brown: 00:14:26

said, Howard, I know enough about you, but there's two birds

Howard Brown: 00:14:30

in your life. This is I mean, he doesn't really know me. He heard

Howard Brown: 00:14:33

me presented. I presented, you know, for an hour first day. And

Howard Brown: 00:14:37

then he put his hand on my shoulder. He said, Yes. You

Howard Brown: 00:14:40

know, I know about the Phoenix, and I now know about the dove.

Howard Brown: 00:14:45

He goes, I want you to actually allow the bluejay into your

Howard Brown: 00:14:49

life. And that's all he said. And then I went and researched

Howard Brown: 00:14:54

what the blue j means, you know, and how to apply it to me. I

Howard Brown: 00:14:58

thought it was fascinating. So I had a I had a reading and a

Howard Brown: 00:15:01

water ceremony for the first time on this cruise ship.

Howard Brown: 00:15:04

Fascinating. So it just shows you we're always learning. And

Howard Brown: 00:15:08

it was very cool. So again, my only real exposure to this, you

Howard Brown: 00:15:12

live this, which is very, very different.

Howard Brown: 00:15:17

CAREY MACCARTHY,: And I had to tell you, I was actually a guest

Howard Brown: 00:15:19

on a podcast earlier this week. And there was my accent is no

Howard Brown: 00:15:25

accident with Maritza Paris, and I, she's a psychic medium. I

Howard Brown: 00:15:31

don't know if she tells anybody this, but we were talking about

Howard Brown: 00:15:34

the Lakota people and my work with them. And suddenly a spirit

Howard Brown: 00:15:38

came in through her it was a Lakota spirit, and asked her to

Howard Brown: 00:15:43

ask me, tell us more about the Lakota people who are they where

Howard Brown: 00:15:50

they're from. So I got to give this whole history of who the

Howard Brown: 00:15:53

Lakota people were. But it was very amazing, you know, just to

Howard Brown: 00:15:58

know that these spirits of the native people are with me

Howard Brown: 00:16:01

guiding me on this mission to bring art therapy, trauma

Howard Brown: 00:16:05

treatment, trainings, and putting mental health into their

Howard Brown: 00:16:08

tribal schools. So they're there.

Howard Brown: 00:16:13

So I will tell you this that so because I am such

Howard Brown: 00:16:16

a, you know, a patient expert and advocate in the cancer

Howard Brown: 00:16:20

world, I actually call for a screening, okay. And it's March

Howard Brown: 00:16:24

is colorectal cancer awareness month, but every cancer has a

Howard Brown: 00:16:27

month and a colour, and ours is blue. And so but I do I say, Go

Howard Brown: 00:16:31

get screened at age 45. That's the age now unless you have

Howard Brown: 00:16:34

family history, where you have symptoms, or you're part of a

Howard Brown: 00:16:37

minority community, if you're black or brown skinned, or if

Howard Brown: 00:16:41

you are indigenous or Latino, those are the highest diagnosed

Howard Brown: 00:16:44

because they're the least tested because of their access or their

Howard Brown: 00:16:47

trust of the healthcare system. So I do do that. Always. So I,

Howard Brown: 00:16:54

it's just a little bit of relation. They're not what

Howard Brown: 00:16:57

you're doing. But I just want to say that I I felt compelled to

Howard Brown: 00:17:00

share that because the health care. If you're not at your

Howard Brown: 00:17:02

optimal health, you can't lift yourself up or lift up others,

Howard Brown: 00:17:05

which is my motto and all that. Let's let's continue on. So the

Howard Brown: 00:17:08

reservation experience is absolutely cool. And then you

Howard Brown: 00:17:11

actually started to take over the practice from Linda right,

Howard Brown: 00:17:16

or she wanted you to Carey the torch forward.

Howard Brown: 00:17:20

CAREY MACCARTHY,: Yes. So Linda was actually we were colleagues.

Howard Brown: 00:17:23

She's co author of the startup art therapy curriculum. And she

Howard Brown: 00:17:27

was still active in the field when we were kind of, you know,

Howard Brown: 00:17:30

tag teaming, and but as after the California wildfires, fires,

Howard Brown: 00:17:35

her house burned down. So she's just like, I'm retiring. Here

Howard Brown: 00:17:39

you go, and 2017. So anybody that wants training in

Howard Brown: 00:17:44

neurodevelopmental art therapy, this is for teachers, schools,

Howard Brown: 00:17:47

therapists, coaches, they come to me and give me the contact

Howard Brown: 00:17:52

info at the end. But

Howard Brown: 00:17:53

can you explain what neuro developmental art

Howard Brown: 00:17:56

therapy is for the audience? Right,

Howard Brown: 00:17:58

CAREY MACCARTHY,: great question. No, developmental art

Howard Brown: 00:18:01

therapy is a whole brain healing approach. And so it's bottom up.

Howard Brown: 00:18:06

So it is corresponding with the four functioning structures of

Howard Brown: 00:18:10

the brain going from the bottom up. And the top functioning

Howard Brown: 00:18:16

structure is that prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for

Howard Brown: 00:18:20

decision making, planning, compassion, empathy, wisdom, and

Howard Brown: 00:18:26

understanding right from wrong. So it's the most important part

Howard Brown: 00:18:30

of the brain to have daily function. So we actually

Howard Brown: 00:18:33

developed a whole curriculum based on neurodevelopmental art

Howard Brown: 00:18:37

therapy. So there's the acute, chronic, or the acute trauma

Howard Brown: 00:18:42

model. And then there's the chronic trauma treatment model.

Howard Brown: 00:18:46

So the curriculum startup curriculum is based on the four

Howard Brown: 00:18:52

stage chronic trauma treatment model. So it's rewiring it's

Howard Brown: 00:18:57

specific art therapy, activities that rewire the brain from the

Howard Brown: 00:19:01

bottom up, but also left right integration. And then when

Howard Brown: 00:19:06

people have that thinking brain online, then they can do top

Howard Brown: 00:19:10

down thinking where it's more cognitive driven, instead of

Howard Brown: 00:19:16

impulsive.

Howard Brown: 00:19:18

I think it's fascinating. For those of you

Howard Brown: 00:19:20

just listening that Carey just held up a copy of her book,

Howard Brown: 00:19:24

well, we're gonna put it in the show notes and on all over

Howard Brown: 00:19:26

social media be able to find it. And you also though, one of the

Howard Brown: 00:19:31

things that you're a specialist in happens to be adolescents and

Howard Brown: 00:19:34

youth and then also the indigenous as well. And so

Howard Brown: 00:19:40

you're working with young people and children which the age range

Howard Brown: 00:19:44

CAREY MACCARTHY,: that you work with, actually work with adults

Howard Brown: 00:19:46

too. So I know that but

Howard Brown: 00:19:48

but you also you have this specialty with

Howard Brown: 00:19:50

children too, right? Yeah,

Howard Brown: 00:19:52

CAREY MACCARTHY,: children of all ages. It could be pre K we,

Howard Brown: 00:19:55

you know, work with more sensory art and and all the way to

Howard Brown: 00:20:01

adolescents. And then, you know, I've had 8590 year old clients

Howard Brown: 00:20:06

as well,

Howard Brown: 00:20:07

okay? Because I mean, I have to say, you know,

Howard Brown: 00:20:10

the big give back for you is how you help people now is that you

Howard Brown: 00:20:14

had such a rough childhood. And now you're, you're, you're

Howard Brown: 00:20:17

focused on folks to be able to help them through that trauma

Howard Brown: 00:20:21

and move them forward. And that's, that's, that's the

Howard Brown: 00:20:25

shining brightly, you know, light that I see is, you know,

Howard Brown: 00:20:29

you lift it up yourself, and now you're lifting up others and,

Howard Brown: 00:20:33

and you specialise in neurodevelopmental art therapy,

Howard Brown: 00:20:36

which is I've learned a lot about it since meeting you, so

Howard Brown: 00:20:39

that you've made me an educated guy as well, all that. So

Howard Brown: 00:20:43

CAREY MACCARTHY,: yeah, and, you know, putting mental health into

Howard Brown: 00:20:45

the classrooms has been really my passion, especially for

Howard Brown: 00:20:48

Native children as a prevention and early intervention. But

Howard Brown: 00:20:52

also, you know, we, this is an issue that exists in our own

Howard Brown: 00:20:56

backyards. And I can't tell you how hard it was to get funding

Howard Brown: 00:20:59

when I was a nonprofit for Native American causes. And now,

Howard Brown: 00:21:03

it's great because it's coming out more to the in the forefront

Howard Brown: 00:21:07

that, you know, we need to help our native brothers and sisters.

Howard Brown: 00:21:12

And you know, we had the XL pipeline in the Standing Rock

Howard Brown: 00:21:15

protests. And now the killers of the flower moon and Lily

Howard Brown: 00:21:18

Gladstone from the Osage tribe just got nominated for so many

Howard Brown: 00:21:23

awards. And you know, it's just like a huge celebration and huge

Howard Brown: 00:21:27

win in victory. So, I will hope that people kind of feel

Howard Brown: 00:21:33

compelled to also get involved how they can help the native

Howard Brown: 00:21:37

cost. So yeah, I'm putting mental health in the classroom,

Howard Brown: 00:21:40

but to give back to them, and also to pay homage to myself as

Howard Brown: 00:21:45

a child, and all the children that fall through the cracks,

Howard Brown: 00:21:49

because they suffer silently with trauma. And then they grow

Howard Brown: 00:21:53

up into adolescents and adults and become incarcerated. You

Howard Brown: 00:22:00

know, domestic violence, substance abuse, suicide, mental

Howard Brown: 00:22:04

illness, and mystery illnesses, because some of the things that

Howard Brown: 00:22:08

can happen to when there's been a history of childhood trauma is

Howard Brown: 00:22:12

that there can be a trauma spin out, where there's that limbic

Howard Brown: 00:22:16

system, part of the brain firing these SOS signals constantly,

Howard Brown: 00:22:22

that causes inflammation in the brain, and actually can cause

Howard Brown: 00:22:27

physical disease like mystery illnesses, chronic fatigue

Howard Brown: 00:22:32

syndrome, multiple chemical sensitivity, you know,

Howard Brown: 00:22:37

fibromyalgia, all these things that doctors don't know how to

Howard Brown: 00:22:40

treat. And so that can be another trauma when people are

Howard Brown: 00:22:44

on that road show of going from doctor to doctor to doctor. So

Howard Brown: 00:22:49

this is wanting to I'm wanting to take this programme out, not

Howard Brown: 00:22:54

just for natives, but to all cultures, eventually.

Howard Brown: 00:22:59

I think this applies to everyone coming out

Howard Brown: 00:23:01

of the pandemic, where the number one thing was loneliness

Howard Brown: 00:23:05

that led to depression as everyone. We were restricted

Howard Brown: 00:23:09

here, at least in the US, right? Oh, my, I think it applies to a

Howard Brown: 00:23:12

lot of us. So certainly, tell me a little bit more about the book

Howard Brown: 00:23:15

because you're, you know, you're multiple author and all that.

Howard Brown: 00:23:18

But tell me more about kind of the vision of startup and and

Howard Brown: 00:23:24

what you changed in it and things like that, because it's

Howard Brown: 00:23:26

doing well. And it's, it's really an important piece of

Howard Brown: 00:23:28

curriculum.

Howard Brown: 00:23:30

CAREY MACCARTHY,: Oh, well, thank you. Thank you. So you

Howard Brown: 00:23:33

know, this is to be putting into classrooms to behavioural to

Howard Brown: 00:23:37

juvenile justice systems. We actually have a pilot programme

Howard Brown: 00:23:42

in a JDC juvenile detention centre in Sioux Falls, South

Howard Brown: 00:23:46

Dakota right now, that's going very well and in the State

Howard Brown: 00:23:50

Penitentiary, with adults. So getting you know this out into

Howard Brown: 00:23:56

the world and putting it into the classroom curriculum in all

Howard Brown: 00:23:59

schools as a standard. You know, it's the foundational building

Howard Brown: 00:24:05

block to building the nervous system to building the emotional

Howard Brown: 00:24:10

perceptual, the cognition, and creativity and joy and, you

Howard Brown: 00:24:15

know, optimising the brain to be able to learn academics. So it

Howard Brown: 00:24:19

really should be in every classroom so children can

Howard Brown: 00:24:24

actually learn English and math and science. So this is, you

Howard Brown: 00:24:30

know, what my vision is for this book for this curriculum. And

Howard Brown: 00:24:35

we're actually creating a new programme right now for adults

Howard Brown: 00:24:39

and rewiring their own brains from trauma and, and new online

Howard Brown: 00:24:44

course.

Howard Brown: 00:24:47

Got a lot, a lot going on. So it's shout out to

Howard Brown: 00:24:50

teachers and school admins to give this a checkout. So we'll,

Howard Brown: 00:24:54

we'll highlight them and we'll we'll we'll hash tag some of the

Howard Brown: 00:24:57

educational folks that they can be made aware Maybe they don't

Howard Brown: 00:25:00

even know they're aware of it know that this is fascinating.

Howard Brown: 00:25:04

We could talk a lot longer, but the show is short. So I want you

Howard Brown: 00:25:08

to put on your sunglasses. This is the shining, brightly

Howard Brown: 00:25:10

spotlight that we end the show with. I want you to tell me all

Howard Brown: 00:25:14

those are the very cool glasses very artsy, I love them. Where

Howard Brown: 00:25:18

to go, Carey, I'll tell people how best to get a hold of you,

Howard Brown: 00:25:22

you have something that you might want to offer. And then

Howard Brown: 00:25:25

we're going to end the show with inspirational, either story or

Howard Brown: 00:25:29

quote from you, and then you'll kick it back over to me.

Unknown: 00:25:32

Yeah, thank you, Howard. So the way to get a hold

Unknown: 00:25:34

of me is you can directly email me at Carey C A R E Y @

Unknown: 00:25:42

startuparttherapy.com, Carey@startuparttherapy.com, you

Unknown: 00:25:46

can go to the website startuparttherapy.com. And you

Unknown: 00:25:51

can actually just pick up the phone and call me the old

Unknown: 00:25:54

fashioned way if you want for 159479608. And that is the way

Unknown: 00:26:00

to be able to, you know, get me for training. And I want to give

Unknown: 00:26:06

you guys today a bilateral scribble art therapy technique

Unknown: 00:26:11

called scribble your way to calm and you'll be able to access

Unknown: 00:26:15

that through Howard's links. And to end with a quote, freedom is

Unknown: 00:26:25

what we do with what has been done to us. And that is by John

Unknown: 00:26:30

Paul start. We repeat that with freedom is what we do with what

Unknown: 00:26:36

has been done to us. And we can take that a step further.

Unknown: 00:26:42

Freedom is what we do with what has done been done for us

Unknown: 00:26:47

meaning that we have, you know, kind of chosen our Earth walk

Unknown: 00:26:54

before we come into these human bodies. And then some people

Unknown: 00:26:59

believe, and how can we transform that victimhood? That

Unknown: 00:27:05

things have been done to us? And can we see it as something

Unknown: 00:27:10

that's been a teaching to help propel us forward in life? So my

Unknown: 00:27:14

motto, feel the people heal the planet? Wow.

Howard Brown: 00:27:20

Wow, wow, wow. Well, this has been incredible.

Howard Brown: 00:27:24

I'm gonna in the show notes. And on all social posts, get in

Howard Brown: 00:27:27

touch with you, we only scratched the surface of

Howard Brown: 00:27:30

neurodevelopmental art therapy, of course, and a 30 minute show.

Howard Brown: 00:27:35

This has been incredible Carey, I want to thank you, you shine

Howard Brown: 00:27:38

brightly, and helping people, you know, recover from trauma.

Howard Brown: 00:27:42

And that is actually very noble. And it's a beautiful thing that

Howard Brown: 00:27:46

you do. So thank you. You can get a hold of me, Howard brown

Howard Brown: 00:27:50

on the shiningbrightly.com. There, you can check out the

Howard Brown: 00:27:54

book. I have other books in my Amazon account as well. But

Howard Brown: 00:27:58

also, my speaking, you want me to speak at one of your events,

Howard Brown: 00:28:02

make it shine. So come, I'm talking to me about that as

Howard Brown: 00:28:04

well. And this podcast is just it's touching people. We go from

Howard Brown: 00:28:08

human resolve, as we heard today, from Carey to inspiration

Howard Brown: 00:28:11

always. And my advocacy for the cancer world, the

Howard Brown: 00:28:14

entrepreneurship world, the interfaith world, all can be

Howard Brown: 00:28:17

found there. So please reach out to me. And I just want to give a

Howard Brown: 00:28:20

shout out and thank you to the people that helped me most,

Howard Brown: 00:28:22

which are my publisher, front edge publishing, read the

Howard Brown: 00:28:24

spirit.com magazine out every Monday, my podcast house, which

Howard Brown: 00:28:30

is based out of British Columbia, and they are amazing,

Howard Brown: 00:28:36

and they just helped make me look great and shine as well. So

Howard Brown: 00:28:40

with that, choose, okay to shine brightly, a little bit each day

Howard Brown: 00:28:45

for yourself. For others, lift them up for our communities and

Howard Brown: 00:28:50

neighbourhoods. And yes, the world become a better place.

Howard Brown: 00:28:56

Thank you. We'll talk to you soon Carey great show.

Howard Brown: 00:28:59

CAREY MACCARTHY,: Thank you so much, Howard.